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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Whoopsy:

    Well i said it before, FF styling is pure Italian, a lot of the styling cues are there simply because Italians wanted them there.

    Russo however is styled liker a Japanese car, efficient and bland. 

    Seriously? Smiley

    Rene-Russo-2015.jpg

     

    Sorry, Nick...couldn't help. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    The person who did the long post about the Lusso on FChat, Brian L, is a tool, he is always extremely opinionated and just tries impose his views, he holds the only truth. He has bashed the Lusso even before it came out. He is a FF owner and loves "his" white FF. I would take any comment from him about the Lusso with a a grain of salt.

    There might be some truth in his review, however everyone has said the new interior was much better than the old one...

    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.

     


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.


    And this is all that counts. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Rossi:
    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.


    And this is all that counts. Smiley

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    noone1:
    Rossi:
    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.


    And this is all that counts. Smiley

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.


    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Rossi:
    noone1:

    Rossi:

    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.



    Material usage however is debatable.






    And this is all that counts. Smiley




    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.






    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley







    Tell that to 991.2 turbo buyers who are getting the same as a Boxster interior

    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    SciFrog:


     


    Tell that to 991.2 turbo buyers who are getting the same as a Boxster interior

     

    Actually no, Porsche at least give the turbo buyers a few more patches of leather vs just plastic Smiley

    I was just comparing my CTTS with the SVR interior, everything inside the Porsche is at least a couple grades up on the RRS, leather, switchgear, even the Alcantara headliner feels it's of a higher grade. The only thing that feels cheap inside is the silver painted plastic air vents in the Cayenne. But then again my Cayenne is a 100k more than the SVR.

     


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Although, really, for 100K more than the SVR, it shouldn't have cheap painted plastic bits anywhere.

    At least with the Cayenne you can cover a lot of it in leather, at additional cost, but it's possible. With the Panamera, there's so much plastic that can't be gotten rid of at any price, and, so far at least, they don't even have a natural leather option for the new one. (For some odd reason the leather and other interior options on the Panamera, where one would think they would be the most extensive and complete, have always been the scantiest, save the Boxster/Cayman, of the entire lineup.)

    I can't even imagine the attitude that materials don't matter at all, or that "looks" are the only thing that matters.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    That's why I love the Bentley GT.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    SciFrog:
    The person who did the long post about the Lusso on FChat, Brian L, is a tool, he is always extremely opinionated and just tries impose his views, he holds the only truth. He has bashed the Lusso even before it came out. He is a FF owner and loves "his" white FF. I would take any comment from him about the Lusso with a a grain of salt.

    There might be some truth in his review, however everyone has said the new interior was much better than the old one...

    You are right - he clearly has an axe to grind.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    He's sold despite the strange throttle response at 25:20  angry  they got one thing right this time, the horn button location like any other car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI42askNUFM

    Cali T horn button(s)  Smiley

     


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    BiTurbo:

    He's sold despite the strange throttle response at 25:20  angry  they got one thing right this time, the horn button location like any other car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI42askNUFM

    It does look pretty fantastic on this trim and color combo. Honestly, picking up a one or two year old GTC4 after it took the initial depreciation hit would be fantastic. 


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Rossi:
    noone1:
    Rossi:
    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.


    And this is all that counts. Smiley

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.


    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley

    It does and it is even more important if you have different cars and you have a comparison.

    Whenever I switch from my R8 to the 991.1 GTS, I get disappointed. Now imagine someone with tons of expensive luxury sportscars, if the quality of the materials in the FF GTC4 Lusso T sucks, he will certainly notice it.


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    SciFrog:
    Rossi:
    noone1:
     
    Rossi:
     
    Whoopsy:
     

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

     

    Material usage however is debatable.

     



    And this is all that counts. Smiley

     

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.

     



    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley



     

     



    Tell that to 991.2 turbo buyers who are getting the same as a Boxster interior

    This is why I always feel depressed when I switch directly from my R8 to the 991.1 GTS. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    RC:
    SciFrog:
    Rossi:
    noone1:
     
    Rossi:
     
    Whoopsy:
     

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

     

    Material usage however is debatable.

     



    And this is all that counts. Smiley

     

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.

     



    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley



     

     



    Tell that to 991.2 turbo buyers who are getting the same as a Boxster interior

    This is why I always feel depressed when I switch directly from my R8 to the 991.1 GTS. Smiley

    If you feel "depressed" being in it why on earth keep the 991.1? Being a cab and having mini-me seats in the back is not enough to keep it. Sell it and buy something new next spring Smiley


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    The 991.1 GTS is a lease, I still love it (wonderful convertible, I love the look and the engine) and my wife loves it too. Of course I could return it earlier and choose something else but...what exactly would I choose from Porsche? yes 

    Right now, only the GT3 RS would be interesting...or the Cayenne Turbo S. The GT3 RS is not a car I could use (I already have a weekend fun car), the Cayenne Turbo S would be nice but my wife doesn't like the Cayenne (too big, too conservative looking, whatever ), so... yes 

    When my wife's Macan Turbo lease runs out next year, she will very likely take over my 991.1 GTS lease.


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    RC:
    Rossi:
    noone1:
    Rossi:
    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.


    And this is all that counts. Smiley

    Meh. I don't think materials matter at all so long as it's anything halfway decent. I'd be willing to be 99% of buyers couldn't even tell you which material costs more if given a blind test. Looks are all that matter. I've been in many exotics and none have materials substantially better than the other.


    If you pay 200k plus for one car, I think materials and their quality matter a lot. Smiley

    It does and it is even more important if you have different cars and you have a comparison.

    Whenever I switch from my R8 to the 991.1 GTS, I get disappointed. Now imagine someone with tons of expensive luxury sportscars, if the quality of the materials in the FF GTC4 Lusso T sucks, he will certainly notice it.


    The problem seems to be even bigger: it's not only the "T" but also the V12-Lusso. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Oops...this is not good. Material quality usually goes up, not down (see Porsche, they really improved material quality over the past ten years).


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    RC:

    Oops...this is not good. Material quality usually goes up, not down (see Porsche, they really improved material quality over the past ten years).

    GT3 engine fire Smiley

    My ex. CTT


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Material quality is very subjective, much like anything high-end. I've been in a million different cars with leather, from high-end to low-end, and I've never once thought "Wow, this leather is amazing." As far as plastics go, it's really just about the texture/finish of the plastic. I have plastic vents in my cars and I don't even notice. Seat-backs in leather, plastic, or CF? Don't care and don't notice. Front grill? I don't even know what material mine is made out off. So long as it looks good, why would I care?

    I actually think exotics would be better to use cheaper materials in some areas since it means they could be replaced/repaired much cheaper. It's like CF lips and bumpers -- why would I want the most likely damaged parts of the car to be made with super expensive material? Just give me some dark, gloss plastic and call it a day. Anyone ever seen the cost of a CF diffuser or bumper replacement on a Ferrari? It ain't cheap!

    And hey, at the end of the day, every exotic company will do all kinds of overpriced custom materials if you pay for them, so the sky is the limit.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    noone1:

    Material quality is very subjective,

     

    Not when it comes to a 300k top of the range Ferrari.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    I started with the 993. Then 996 Carrera (worst plastic quality ever...), 996 Carrera 4 Powerkit (already an improvement over the first 996 but not by much), 997.1 Carrera S (a quality jump but still not perfect), 997.1 Turbo (a tiny bit better than Carrera S) and then 997.2 Carrera 2 GTS Cabriolet (better than Turbo). My 991.1 C4 GTS Cabriolet trumps all older 911 in quality and by quite a margin. Even the first 991.1 I test-drove had worse quality than my current 991.1 GTS. Now if I look at my R8 and compare it to my 991.1 GTS...oh boy...this is like the jump from the 997.1 to the 991.1. angry The current 991.2 has a very good interior quality look and feel but only a tiny bit better than 991.1. I have high hopes for the next 911 generation because Porsche clearly knows that the interior was/is one of the weakest points. 


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    koko:
    noone1:

    Material quality is very subjective,

     

    Not when it comes to a 300k top of the range Ferrari.

    I bet I could give you two types of drastically different priced leather and plastic, and you wouldn't be able to tell which is which. Like all high-end things, it's very subjective and requires expertise to differentiate the quality. This is normal for everything from materials to food. Good quality is not significantly inferior to very high quality, and for many it will be subjective.

    I tried on a $1500 Bally leather jacket and a $450 Diesel one. Similar styles. Bought the Diesel one. The leather was definitely different, though you could have switched the price tags and told me the Diesel had better leather and I wouldn't have known any better.

    Personally I don't even think leather or aluminium are great choices for many parts of a car interior anyway. I'd rather have cloth and plastic in many cases. That metal shifter in the R8 felt like grabbing coals in the Summer sun, and leather seats were either sweat-inducing in the Summer or cold in the Winter.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    noone1:


    ... I actually think exotics would be better to use cheaper materials in some areas since it means they could be replaced/repaired much cheaper. It's like CF lips and bumpers -- why would I want the most likely damaged parts of the car to be made with super expensive material? Just give me some dark, gloss plastic and call it a day. Anyone ever seen the cost of a CF diffuser or bumper replacement on a Ferrari? It ain't cheap! ...

    And that CF, which is more properly designated CRP, is really just plastic, very expensive plastic.


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    BiTurbo:
    RC:

    Oops...this is not good. Material quality usually goes up, not down (see Porsche, they really improved material quality over the past ten years).

    GT3 engine fire Smiley

    My ex. CTT

    How do you do this? I have the same steering wheel for five years and it looks like new? Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Whoopsy:

    The new interior design is much much better that's for sure.

    Material usage however is debatable.

     

    I haven't been in the FF but found the F12 interior much more appealing and coherent than the Lusso's. Maybe that is subjective but there were too many surfaces, elements and materials combined in the latter. 


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    993Targa:
    How do you do this? I have the same steering wheel for five years and it looks like new? Smiley

    I wish I knew Smiley total mileage 12,500 km in 2 years. I drive my other cars, otherwise, this one would've seen over 50k.

    A recall letter was also sent through the mail for detaching headlights Smiley

    Car arrived in mid 2010 as MY2011, sold in summer 2012. 1 year later ordered the GTS and the engine wouldn't start on day 3, culprit turned out to be a faulty tcu unit which took over a month to get it replaced Smiley


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    BiTurbo:
    RC:

    Oops...this is not good. Material quality usually goes up, not down (see Porsche, they really improved material quality over the past ten years).

    GT3 engine fire Smiley

    My ex. CTT

    It looks like a photo of my steering wheel. I had the same problem


    Re: Ferrari FF / GTC4Lusso

    Material quality, for practically everything IS subjective. But each individual's ability to perceive qualitative differences and their level of concern about such a perception is variable. Part of the enjoyment with luxury goods comes from understanding just how much effort is required for ever smaller degrees of improvement. This is the essence of connoisseurship. I think some customers might care a great deal about details like leather texture... I think when a luxury manufacturer begins "de-contesting" it denotes a compromise in their standards, a change in their overall culture perhaps. I can fully understand why some would take this difference very seriously.


     
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