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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Porsche 992 and friends...

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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Grant:
    GRN2RSMO:

    I was really looking forward to the 992. 

    Then I priced one out on the Configutrator.

    Yeah, one of the British mags said the price increase was 4% over the 991, but in the USA it's almost 8%...

    Putting things into perspective, one can acquire an Audi R8 for the same price.  While that Audi won't have all of the high performance technology in that $170,000 992, it does retain, for the time being, a genuine normally aspirated, high revving V10!


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    Porsche 992 GT3 Touring 4.0 track testing...  1538770913308image.gif

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    ...will look great with a ducktail spoiler! Smiley 


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Porsche 992 GT3 Touring 4.0 track testing...  1538770913308image.gif

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    1543522919780image.jpeg

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    ...will look great with a ducktail spoiler! Smiley 

    Normally aspirated or with turbocharging?  


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    CGX car nut:
    Grant:
    GRN2RSMO:

    I was really looking forward to the 992. 

    Then I priced one out on the Configutrator.

    Yeah, one of the British mags said the price increase was 4% over the 991, but in the USA it's almost 8%...

    Putting things into perspective, one can acquire an Audi R8 for the same price.  While that Audi won't have all of the high performance technology in that $170,000 992, it does retain, for the time being, a genuine normally aspirated, high revving V10!

    Or a pre-owned McLaren. They won’t have trouble selling the 992, but there are some other great options in that price range. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    GRN2RSMO:

    I was really looking forward to the 992. 

    Then I priced one out on the Configutrator. After adding PTS,club leather, sports, performance package, PDCC, front axle lift, rear axle steering, adaptive cruise control and upgraded wheels. I come in just shy of $170k

    A 991 Turbo is starting at $161k which doesn't need much additional options, what the hell is going with Porsche ? have they finally lost it ?

    11 years back when I ordered my 997 GT2, I paid around $186k and this was for a 911 GT model which is considered a top dawg 911 before the GT2 RS was announced in 2011. So how did they manage to get this close in pricing with an entry level Carrera / Carrera S (385 hp / 450 hp) with engine cc downgrade Smiley

    By adding few toys, gizmos and switching from analog to digital with another overdrive gear doesn't justify the price hike, it's still a 911 and it doesn't age well (base version) once the new generation is out, not sure if the 992 stands a chance   Smiley

    I know I've distanced myself from Porsche because of the pricing as a starter, they seem to have forgotten the success of the 911 was it's starting price which was always well below the competition, the benchmark days are all over since McLaren released the MP4-12C and then the engine failures which started with the introduction of the 991.  So pray that you're not gonna be the guinea pig that they will be relying on to rectify the issues in the facelift with another price hike Smiley

    Porsche seems to have gone megalomania with their lap times, limited edition 911's and VIP program that expires after a certain amount of time and later on lost in hyperspace, as if you're a newcomer to them if you try to make an inquiry about a new model Smiley

    This generation will be missed dearly


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    "Porsche’s 918 successor 'must achieve 6m 30s' at the ‘Ring" (Top Gear)

    (29 November 2018)

    Porsche’s fascination with the Nürburgring shows no sign of abating. Speaking to Top Gear at the LA Motor Show, Porsche Motorsport boss Frank-Steffen Walliser laid down the gauntlet for the core of whichever car supercedes the 918 Spyder hypercar.

    It won’t be whichever powertrain best fits the company’s increasingly electrified message, but whichever powertrain allows it to take nearly 30 seconds out of the 918’s 6m 57s lap of the ‘Ring.

    “It must achieve a 6m 30s at the Nürburgring,” Walliser tells us. “I don’t care about the drivetrain, 6m 30s is the target. Sports cars are defined by their performance, then we have to look how to achieve it. An electric car in 6m 30s is quite a challenge.” So a hybrid may be unlikely, a fully electric hypercar even more so.

    Is it all getting a bit mad? “For 5,000 years mankind compares performance in games and competition in soccer, in rallying, throwing spears and whatever. I don’t see it will stop. for sure we have to be careful, and properly prepare.

    “The main part is preparation for safety. Nothing just happens, we need a very experienced driver, a very good team taking care of every detail and we have to be careful,” he added.

    Keeping things at a slightly saner level, he also told us to expect the new, 992-generation GT3 within 18 to 24 months of the brand-new 911’s arrival, but wouldn’t be held on whether it’s going to be turbocharged or not, as some have suggested.

    And, indeed, feared. If the 991 has been anything to go by, that’ll be the first of many motorsport cars. Some of which, like the new GT2 RS Clubsport, may allow modestly talented drivers to go racing. Actual racing, not ending up in the hands of speculative collectors.

    Walliser assures us the company’s done as much as possible to make sure Clubsports end up in the hands of people who want to race them, and given the car fits with the SRO’s new GT2 regulations, that could mean some pretty special races.

    “The intention is this is not a collector’s car. It’s a really, really easy to use racing car. You don’t need a big team of engineers setting up everything, and you can service it with the regular computers we are using in the Porsche dealer.”

    While its 282kg of downforce at 124mph comes close to doubling the figure of the GT2 RS road car, Walliser insists the Clubsport is a friendly car to drive. It still comes with stability control and ABS, after all. “The people who will buy this have found a skill in racing but they don’t have the time for daily training and a lot of races,” he says.

    Walliser reckons it’ll be used differently to the 935 track special it initially appears rather similar to. While most of those will still end up on circuit, it’ll likely be more careful use on a trackday as opposed to the cut and thrust of a racing grid. And it turns out a lot of 935 buyers are also getting a GT2 RS Clubsport anyway.

    Back to the ‘Ring. Has the new Clubsport been there yet?

    “We haven’t tested it,” he says. “I think with the downforce level and the tyres we can take another ten seconds off the street car, minimum.” So around 6m 35s, perhaps.

    “I guess we will see in the spring. We’ll do some serious Nürburgring testing. The GT2 RS Manthey was just an end of season run to bring the trophy home.”

    Link: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/la-motor-show-2018/porsches-918-successor-must-achieve-6m-30s-ring


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    If you want to mock the Porsche and its 992, and stay how expensive it is (170K), you can always build up the the options list to set up your argument.  If I were configuring a very nicely optioned car, I would do it as below, which totals $135,120.  Then if you can't get a dealer to knock off 6% of that (then total of $127,000) you should find a new dealer. So, tell me where you can find a comparable high performance car for $127K? 

    Gentian Blue Metallic

    1A

    $830

    Interior Color

    Leather Interior in Bordeaux Red

    $3,830

    Packages

    Premium Package

    $5,380

    LED Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)

    $0

    Lane Keep Assist (LKA) incl. Traffic Sign Recognition

    $0

    Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)

    $0

    Comfort Access

    $0

    Seat Ventilation

    $0

    BOSE® Surround Sound System

    $0

    Sport Package

    $5,460

    Sport Exhaust System with Tailpipes in Silver Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

    $0

    Sport Chrono Package

    $0

    Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) (Lowered 10mm)

    $0

    Exterior

    Power Folding Exterior Mirrors

    $370

    Performance

    8-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)

    $0

    Wheels

    20"/21" Carrera S Wheels

    $0

    Wheel Accessories

    Wheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest

    $190

    Lights and Vision

    Comfort and Assistance Systems

    Interior

    Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package

    $2,330

    Steering Wheel Heating

    $280

    Interior Carbon Fiber

    Interior Trim in Carbon Fiber

    $2,100

    Audio and Communication

    Total Price*

    $135,120


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Apparently there´s quite a few 992´s (no camouflage) on Mallorca, Spain right now.

    Dont know what they´re doing there.

    Maybe Carlos will see one and tell us his opinion.

    Anyway, found a video of one being driven (inside video) in Mallorca.

    992 mallorca.mp4


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Preliminary 992 GT3 info from LA auto show: (Frank Walliser)

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-la-motor-show/next-generation-porsche-911-gt3-display-innovation-retain-key

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    I am not mocking Porsche I enjoy my 911 as a daily driver and 981GTS when the weather cooperates., I optioned my 997 in 2007 with PTS, XRR wheels, leather seats, seat belts and other options. 

    I was looking forward to adding a new 911, my point is at this price range things add up to a price point that makes one think twice. I think when you are pricing a vehicle starting at this price point it not unreasonable to get some of the finer things.

    As one of the post mentioned 991.2 turbo looks like a deal.


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    I should reduce my previous estimate by $11.4k with PTS there is some Odd pricing where if one adds exterior custom color it adds $22.8k if you choose color to sample  but only $11430 when you choose custom color.


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    Interesting


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Apparently there´s quite a few 992´s (no camouflage) on Mallorca, Spain right now.

    Dont know what they´re doing there.

    Maybe Carlos will see one and tell us his opinion.

    Anyway, found a video of one being driven (inside video) in Mallorca.

    992 mallorca.mp4


    Hey, if you try really hard, you can hear a very distant growl - must have been the sport exhaust. SmileySmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    On the LA show, they introduced the Carrera S and the Carrera 4S, both with the large width. Will this mean that the non-s models will have a narrower track width?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    CGX car nut:
    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Porsche 992 GT3 Touring 4.0 track testing...  1538770913308image.gif

    1543522893002image.jpeg

    1543522919780image.jpeg

    ...will look great with a ducktail spoiler! Smiley 

    Normally aspirated or with turbocharging?  

    Next-generation Porsche 911 GT3 to display innovation but retain key features (Autocar)

    • Track-prepared 911 will receive suspension update but remain naturally aspirated and rear-wheel-drive
    • Eighth-generation Porsche 911 will likely receive GT treatment in 2020
    • Previous 911 GT3 was naturally aspirated and rear-wheel drive
    • Porsche's GT division may be let loose on the Taycan 

    (30 November 2018)

    The next Porsche 911 GT3 will be innovative with its suspension system but retain rear-wheel drive and most likely a naturally aspirated engine without any hybrid assistance, according to Porsche GT boss Frank Walliser.

    Speaking at the Los Angeles motor show, where the new 992-generation 911 has been revealed, Walliser said that his department “has some really cool ideas on the GT side for suspension". "There’s more potential again, and it will be very much a GT3”, he said.

    The next GT3 will arrive around a year after the launch of the standard 911, meaning a 2020 on-sale date is likely. Walliser hinted that it would retain a naturally aspirated engine and not adopt four-wheel drive, giving Porsche a key point of difference still when rivals have gone with one or both of those technologies.

    “We’ve discussed four-wheel drive, but with a rear-engined concept it has a different impact than on a front-engined or mid-engined car,” said Walliser.

    “Part of the GT cars is that they’re raw, they’re lightweight; four-wheel drive gives you something in the wet but adds 50kg, and you lose some of the fuel capacity of our 90-litre tank.

    “We’ve discussed but come to the conclusion two-wheel drive on the 911 layout is best. It can handle the power, no problem, with the chassis and tyre technology all helping.” 

    Another topic of discussion at GT has been hybrid technology for the 911, but the conversation “has not gone from the tea kitchen to meeting rooms” yet.

    “With the performance hybrid knowledge we have, what will the future GT car be like?” Walliser said. “With a GT car, it’s really simplified as giving perfect feedback and a very light design. It’s more than engine power; it’s other refinements that make a good car.

    “It’s in a niche market, but it’s a big niche, and we have an asset that we don’t want to give up.”

    To that end, hybrid power remains a long way off, but don’t expect to see a turbocharged GT3, either, Walliser hinted, contrary to the claims of some. “Turbo adds another 40kg, a hybrid more so,” said Walliser.

    “Normally aspirated and hybrid fits together very, very well. The 918 Spyder was hybrid and normally aspirated. It’s the most emotional thing we have, and we have to stay emotional.”

    A manual gearbox is also set to be retained, after it was retuned to the Mk2 version of the 991 GT3. Around 25% of all GT3s are sold with that option and as many as 75% in the US. 

    Walliser also believes that the upcoming Taycan electric car has more in common with Porsche’s sports cars than its saloon and SUV models, opening the possibility of a GT version one day. He’s also part of the wider R&D team at Porsche and has driven development cars. “In doing so, I think it is very, very close to the sports cars, closer than I was expecting,” he said.

    However, the GT division has no plans yet at present to develop a version of the Taycan.

    Link:  https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-la-motor-show/next-generation-porsche-911-gt3-display-innovation-retain-key

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Rossi:
    reginos:
    RC:
    DaveC:

    The exterior is ok, no surprise beyond the unfortunate corporate homogenation of the rear. The interior is another matter. Why even bother w/ an analog tachometer?  Homage to poor design? The center console tells us that a huge cup holder is now a 911 priority. The infotainment screen is another new 911 priority.  The result is a bland techno environment w/ echos of past 911s. Guess I’m too old for this future.

    This is why I got myself this interior... Smiley No touch buttons, no large infotainment screen... Smiley

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    The carbon used by Lamborghini (Forged composites?) has an industrial look compared to traditional carbon fiber but it has its individuality.

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    The forged composite looks better in real life. Under flashlight photography like in the pic above it does look a bit prominent.

    It's a matter of taste. While I think it looks good on the exterior I think it looks hideous inside. But again - a matter of taste. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    This is a nice comparison photo of how the designers have looked to the original car for inspiration on the design of the upper dash for the 992.

    Interior 10.JPG


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    ISUK:

    This is a nice comparison photo of how the designers have looked to the original car for inspiration on the design of the upper dash for the 992.

    Interior 10.JPG

    Superb comparison. I love the new dash. It needs that wood on it. It adds class and heritage to the car. Well done Porsche!


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Completely agree about the wood. Carbon and aluminium is too common nowadays... 


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    nearly like my 964's interior 

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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Wood only belongs to making coffins, it has no place inside an automobile. Of all the people I personally knows, that actually want wood inside their cars. they are closer to the other wood made thing, coffins. 

     

    Sorry, that's my honest opinion.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Whoopsy:

    Wood only belongs to making coffins, it has no place inside an automobile. Of all the people I personally knows, that actually want wood inside their cars. they are closer to the other wood made thing, coffins. 

     

    Sorry, that's my honest opinion.

    +1


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    An also honestly, I have had the Huracan for a couple years now, the all digital gauge is already showing it's age, it's looks, frankly, dated. Would have prefer it comes with the timeless analogy gauges now.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Apparently there´s quite a few 992´s (no camouflage) on Mallorca, Spain right now.

    Dont know what they´re doing there.

    Maybe Carlos will see one and tell us his opinion.

    Anyway, found a video of one being driven (inside video) in Mallorca.

    992 mallorca.mp4

    Paulo

    As we saw on the photos you posted before, there were some competition cars with the 992 (Auydi R8 or mercedes AMG GT) so it should be the dealer presentation.


    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    xpto:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Apparently there´s quite a few 992´s (no camouflage) on Mallorca, Spain right now.

    Dont know what they´re doing there.

    Maybe Carlos will see one and tell us his opinion.

    Anyway, found a video of one being driven (inside video) in Mallorca.

    992 mallorca.mp4

    Paulo

    As we saw on the photos you posted before, there were some competition cars with the 992 (Auydi R8 or mercedes AMG GT) so it should be the dealer presentation.

    Wasn't supposed to be in January or something???!!!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Rossi:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Apparently there´s quite a few 992´s (no camouflage) on Mallorca, Spain right now.

    Dont know what they´re doing there.

    Maybe Carlos will see one and tell us his opinion.

    Anyway, found a video of one being driven (inside video) in Mallorca.

    992 mallorca.mp4


    Hey, if you try really hard, you can hear a very distant growl - must have been the sport exhaust. SmileySmiley

    I like the sound on the video!!!!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Rossi:
    reginos:
    RC:
    DaveC:

    The exterior is ok, no surprise beyond the unfortunate corporate homogenation of the rear. The interior is another matter. Why even bother w/ an analog tachometer?  Homage to poor design? The center console tells us that a huge cup holder is now a 911 priority. The infotainment screen is another new 911 priority.  The result is a bland techno environment w/ echos of past 911s. Guess I’m too old for this future.

    This is why I got myself this interior... Smiley No touch buttons, no large infotainment screen... Smiley

    1543508886585403_p13_l.jpg

    The carbon used by Lamborghini (Forged composites?) has an industrial look compared to traditional carbon fiber but it has its individuality.

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    The forged composite looks better in real life. Under flashlight photography like in the pic above it does look a bit prominent.

    Smiley It looks superb in real life. Can't get enough of it. Everyone who saw it fell in love with it, amazing look.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Whoopsy:

    An also honestly, I have had the Huracan for a couple years now, the all digital gauge is already showing it's age, it's looks, frankly, dated. Would have prefer it comes with the timeless analogy gauges now.

    I like the GUI of the R8 better but have you seen Corsa mode on the Performante? Looks like early 80s Atari. Smiley Still, I love it, it gives the car a certain unique individuality and personal touch. Sometimes, perfection can be boring...see Panamera...or now maybe even the 992. Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car

    Whoopsy:

    Wood only belongs to making coffins, it has no place inside an automobile. Of all the people I personally knows, that actually want wood inside their cars. they are closer to the other wood made thing, coffins. 

     

    Sorry, that's my honest opinion.

     

    Smiley SmileySmileySmiley


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