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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Lars997:

    Take a standard 4s, add the bumper and rims... voilà! It just misses the exclusivity

    For me, this would be exactly the point of the 911 R. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    RC:
    Lars997:

    Take a standard 4s, add the bumper and rims... voilà! It just misses the exclusivity

    For me, this would be exactly the point of the 911 R. Smiley

    Totally agree. It's for you to enjoy not for someone else to get off looking at. This one still drives like every other R.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    sfo:
    Enmanuel:
    Lukas:

    Sure it is beautiful, but the R really needs the stripes and decals. Otherwise it is not very special. And this is coming from someone who generally don't like decals...

    I actually prefer the low key aspect of this spec. 

    +1

    + 1 Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    I have driven the R today, shared my GT4 with my friend and exchanged cars a few times. Drove them on mountain roads, speeds lower than 150 km/h, bumpy and pretty curvy. Temperature around 8-12 degrees. Both cars with Michelin Sport Cup 2. Please bear in mind this context whilst reading my impressions. On high speed roads the conclusions could be very different. We drove around 300 Kms.

    It is unbelievable how different both cars feel, both great Porsches as they are. Both absorb the road holes and surface changes without changing the trajectory. The GT4 is more precise, inspires more confidence from the beginning and it is easier to go fast. The R, a pure 911, has a lighter steering and the inside engine note is dominated by the intake. I had to hold the R tighter to keep it in the lane (again, mountain road, bumpy and 120-130 km/h). The GT4, on the other side, is pure exhaust noise. The sound symposer makes a big difference, it seems. Manual box in the GT4 feels better: more precise and metallic. Clutch pedal is softer in the R, a surprise.

    On the other hand, the R engine is awesome. The single mass flywheel is always present, like in my old GT3 RS. At mountain road speeds, both cars feel as fast. But the R simply flies if you drive it above 6000 rpm. I wish my GT4 had this engine! Interestingly, the rev match function is very different in the two cars: the GT4 is more aggressive on downshifts, with a clear bang. The R rev matches on upshifts and on downshifts is smoother. Seems the character is clearly marked: a Porsche GT car vs. an awesome road car. Noise insulation in the R is minimal, you feel every stone hitting the wheels arches.

    The owner of the R came more impressed with my car than me with his. Maybe my expectations of the R were high enough, but truth to be told: I cannot understand how Porsche priced the GT4 so low. It is such an awesome car that it stands a face to face with the R on this driving conditions. I prefer the R, no doubt. I am a 911 guy, but I cannot stop smiling every time I step out of the GT4.

    The R is such a great car, the manual 991.2 GT3 will be a blast!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Cool comparison! Thanks for sharing wink


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    Really enjoyed reading it. Can't wait for Geneva (and a proper test drive)...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Thank you for your review!  As a side note, I don't think either of these cars has a sound symposer...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Mikla, thanks for sharing your impressions!


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    Thanks for sharing . Again , best feed backs when driven by a ' normal' person in normal conditions . 

    I guess he was more impressed by the GT4 because for his R he paid more then double your car and had to fight very, very  hard to get one , opposed to  just ordering a ' regular'  and cheap ' entry level ' GT .... 

    On a side note, the 4.0 engine is just a piece of heaven  and worth quite a bit of a stretch .....


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:

    Thanks for sharing . Again , best feed backs when driven by a ' normal' person in normal conditions . 

    I guess he was more impressed by the GT4 because for his R he paid more then double your car and had to fight very, very  hard to get one , opposed to  just ordering a ' regular'  and cheap ' entry level ' GT .... 

    On a side note, the 4.0 engine is just a piece of heaven  and worth quite a bit of a stretch .....

    Hi Gnil, the R owner was impressed at how easy the GT4 is to drive fast. He felt immediately confident and I understand his view since I felt more cautious driving the R: nervous (compared to the GT4) steering constantly looking for the road edges, less immediate turn in.

    But oh boy, that engine! Always felt the GT4 lacked the specialness of the Mezger GT cars, now I see that there is life beyond the old Mezger units.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    There was a third Porsche: a well fine tuned 964 Carrera 2. What a peach! Cup exhaust, Bilstein and H&R suspension, modified airbox and chip. Really shined amongst the newest jewelry.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gracias Mikla, enjoyed reading your comparison impressions of the two special cars, thanks for sharing wink


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Enmanuel:
    Lukas:

    Sure it is beautiful, but the R really needs the stripes and decals. Otherwise it is not very special. And this is coming from someone who generally don't like decals...

    I actually prefer the low key aspect of this spec. 

    Me too, that exact spec car is now on my ever growing bucket list. I gotta stop buying e30 BMWs Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

    I know a difference: the R won the ECOTY, the RS not Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Maybe the S in RS stands for Spoiler 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

    Sorry, no clue...

    The single mass flywheel is great, makes the R special. Haven't driven a 991 GT car yet.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Here is GT Silver with a little bit more.

    I like it.

    Photo from Instagram via RL - don't think it has been posted here before.

    IMG_2493.JPG


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

     

    The R has even less insulation than the RS, hence more noise inside.


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    bluelines:
     

    I know a difference: the R won the ECOTY, the RS not Smiley

    When a test winner comes down to the color ( white in this case ) I can't take them seriously anymore Smiley

    ( the RS they had was LO ) 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    DJM48:

    Here is GT Silver with a little bit more.

    I like it.

    Photo from Instagram via RL - don't think it has been posted here before.

    IMG_2493.JPG

    One looks much better then the other Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Whoopsy:
    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

     

    The R has even less insulation than the RS, hence more noise inside.

    There was a video by some car journalist  ( can't remember which one ) where he raved about every single little noise he could hear in the R that made the car so special . I compared these sounds to my car, and the RS does exactly the same ones . A lot is  just subjectif !

    But yes, I remember reading that the R has less insulation then the RS .... probably not much less 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:
    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

     

    The R has even less insulation than the RS, hence more noise inside.

    There was a video by some car journalist  ( can't remember which one ) where he raved about every single little noise he could hear in the R that made the car so special . I compared these sounds to my car, and the RS does exactly the same ones . A lot is  just subjectif !

    But yes, I remember reading that the R has less insulation then the RS .... probably not much less 

    This is the one you mean Gnil Smiley ... minute 6:50 is the point were he goes over the noises

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    DJM48:

    Here is GT Silver with a little bit more.

    I like it.

    Photo from Instagram via RL - don't think it has been posted here before.

    IMG_2493.JPG

    @Pilot, are you seeing this?!? Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Carlos from Spain:
    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:
    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

     

    The R has even less insulation than the RS, hence more noise inside.

    There was a video by some car journalist  ( can't remember which one ) where he raved about every single little noise he could hear in the R that made the car so special . I compared these sounds to my car, and the RS does exactly the same ones . A lot is  just subjectif !

    But yes, I remember reading that the R has less insulation then the RS .... probably not much less 

    This is the one you mean Gnil Smiley ... minute 6:50 is the point were he goes over the noises

     


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    Exactly . Thanks Carlos . The RS makes also all these sounds . That s why I am saying that probably lots of the raving about the '' special'' sound in the R is subjectif .  Sounds just like an RS, but has manual . 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    I would tend to agree Gnil, the concept of the R that was marketed already predisposes your brain to think that way so all those details about noise, feedback, etc are probably subjectively augmented more than in reality, and the fact that its a limited edition also subjectively contributed to thinking its more special than it really is. Not to take away from the fantastic car that it is, just thats how the brain works.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:
    Gnil:
    Mikla:

    Grant, the intake noise dominates so much in the R. I assume it has a sound symposer as the 911s, from that perspective it sounds like a 911. The GT4 doesn't have that intake roar. Following the R I loved the exhaust sound it makes!

    I exchanged with an owner who had the RS and now the R and he said the R makes more noise inside then the RS . Also seemed to rev a little bit quicker due to the single mass flywheel .

    Is there a difference in the one from the R to the one in the RS ?

     

    The R has even less insulation than the RS, hence more noise inside.

    There was a video by some car journalist  ( can't remember which one ) where he raved about every single little noise he could hear in the R that made the car so special . I compared these sounds to my car, and the RS does exactly the same ones . A lot is  just subjectif !

    But yes, I remember reading that the R has less insulation then the RS .... probably not much less 

     

    At least it still have some. I hear my own echoes when I talk inside my GT4CS with zero insulationsSmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Nick that must be maddening. I got a headache driving a Straddle and was glad to get out of it. However, I am sure its great for track work.kiss


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