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    Where is Nick (nberry)?

    Nick,

    You'd love this article .

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    Re: Where is Nick (nberry)?

    I have always been ahead of the crowd.

    Porsche financially is doing well but it is not endearing the younger generation (future customers) to their cars. I wish I had a nickel for every time a teenager has commented to me while looking at my F-car that Porsches no longer excited them. They all look alike and just too many of them.

    Re: Where is Nick (nberry)?

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    nberry said:
    I have always been ahead of the crowd.

    Porsche financially is doing well but it is not endearing the younger generation (future customers) to their cars. I wish I had a nickel for every time a teenager has commented to me while looking at my F-car that Porsches no longer excited them. They all look alike and just many of them.


    Nick...that reminds me of something Yogi Berra once said, "Nobody goes into that bar any more, it's too crowded!".

    Re: Where is Nick (nberry)?

    How can one in the same article say that they see Porche's on every street corner, Porsche is now the most profitable car company... and that the new models are not doing well?

    Re: Where is Nick (nberry)?

    nberry,
    As much as I hate to admit it.. I'm starting to think you are right.

    Re: Where is Nick (nberry)?

    No doubt that Porsche is less prestigeous than it used to be. Both the Cayenne and Boxster franchises have watered down the brand - but at the same time saved the car company. I believe the mistakes were made in the 80s and early 90s, not so much in thet present (altho the Cayman is the strangest strategic move I have seen in a long time).
    They fubared the company back then, and now pay a price when it comes to the brand perception. Trouble is, most companies in this world is run by suits, who only look at numbers - and have zero passion for whatever the company produces.
    Look at movie production companies, too: One crappy movie after another gets churned out, based on consumer studies and focus groups (not a writer's passion for a good story) all in the name of profit.

    Porsche has gone from being a purist car to being a dentist car.
    Sure, the cars work really well, but like many have noted: They seem more and more clinical, and look more at home in front of the West Beverly Wilshire than they do Nürnburgring.

    The Carrera GT was introduced, and showed enthusiasm, exclusivity and passion that many of the cars lack today.
    Unfortunately the car isnt being produced anymore, which is very symptomatic for the way Porsche is being run today. Mainstream rules.

    Ferrari has managed to stay exclusive because they have FIAT to do their bread and butter business. Porsche needs the same kinda setup to avoid dilluding the brand further.

    I still like Porsche as a brand, much more than most brands. Knowing that spending a lot of time looking a Porsches and writing about them makes seeing one less of an event, I must also admit that the only cars that really make me stop and stare are exclusive and rare ones.
    F430 (primarily the sound), Lambos (exclusiviity and precense), AM (looks and brand) and an occasional Vette (brawn and history) and Cayman (still rare here in DK)...and then some oldtimers.

    I am in the process of selling my Boxster, and choosing a new car is a tough decision. On the one hand I really love the Boxster and its looks and handling, on the other I dont wanna dish out 200,000$ on a car that doesnt have enough Uhmpf! and has the same exclusivity as an Audi TT, or an old 1997 model (going used for 75,000$). Well, almost..
    The 911 is beautiful as hell, but soooo neat and "together" - it lacks that crazy/macho/extraspecial X factor.
    So now I can pick a cheaper mainstream car (Golf Gti) and save a bundle or turn to AMV8 and leave my banker KO'd.
    Ferrari is so ridiculously expensive here (500,000+ $) and depreciates like a ton of bricks the moment you start actually driving them, and Lambos are also priced in the stratosphere.

    I lack a car brand to fill the gap here

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    As long as Porsche is making money, they could care less as to what we enthusiast on chat sites think.

    They have gone from a specialized enthusiast company to main stream and will cater to marketing demands that sell cars. To Porsche, opionions on chat sites are irrelevant.

    However, I would like to think we are the canary in the mind shaft.

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    interesting article ron... IMO some of the things he is saying are true...yes, there is toomany porsches on the street..

    Re: Something we all need to understand

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    nberry said:
    As long as Porsche is making money, they could care less as to what we enthusiast on chat sites think.




    You mean could not care less I believe

    I'd expect more from a lawyer... hehe... just a minor pet peeve of mine.

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    Regarding "too many Porsches" on the streets, its interesting to go to Ebay Motors and sort the 911's by year. The first 8 pages of 12 pages total are all 996/997 cars.

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    Yes, there may be too many Porsche on the streets. But is that the price of remaining an independent company? While Ferrari has Fiat, I could not see Porsche aligned with any other automaker other than German. And what German automaker is financially strong enough to assume that role?

    Re: Something we all need to understand

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    connoisseur said:
    Yes, there may be too many Porsche on the streets. But is that the price of remaining an independent company? While Ferrari has Fiat, I could not see Porsche aligned with any other automaker other than German. And what German automaker is financially strong enough to assume that role?


    This is where the 3.4 Boxster S and the face-lifted Cayenne come in. Just a few more cars, and Porsche will be able to buy the remaining VW shares they don't own yet.

    Re: Something we all need to understand

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    nberry said:
    As long as Porsche is making money, they could care less as to what we enthusiast on chat sites think.

    They have gone from a specialized enthusiast company to main stream and will cater to marketing demands that sell cars. To Porsche, opionions on chat sites are irrelevant.

    However, I would like to think we are the canary in the mind shaft.



    Ditto for Ferrari. They just have a different market. Their market is more the "diamond encrusted gold Rolex type." Ferrari is just as much a business as Porsche. Don't let their low volume fool you, Nick.

    David

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    The base model 911 almost doesnt matter anymore like it use to. Now its all about the GT and turbo versions. Although I must say, the 997 S is quite nice aswell.

    Re: Something we all need to understand

    I can agree most of the parts of this article it is interesting really. I cannot say anything to 930 or 993. These are the names that reminds me the Porsche Brand , best cars of its time really. IMO porsche did a large improvement during late 80's and mid 90's like 930's 993's all type of these cars including 959's. However when 996 born, it was fast car i mean not a huge improvement on perfromance compared to 993, but the interior and comfort issues become first. As an old 996 4S owner , i can say there is not not a big improvement if i can make a comparison 996 4s to 997 4s. I ve test drived the 997 4s once and see not a big difference to my 996. For the "Every corner there is a Porsche" comment i can %90 agree on this comment. My country is not so much exotics on road but in Istanbul i can say on sunny weekends you can see at least 7-8 Porsches and at most a Ferrari or not.

    SO imo oppinion Ferrari and Lambo improved their car more than porsche did 993-996-997. I remember the old diablos old 355's or 360's and when i compare them to Diablo-Murcie or Gallardo, or 335-360 to F430 i saw a high improvement. But for 993 to 996 hmm maybe a little but 996-997 not so much.

    Anyways but porsches are always good car and safe for speeding and everyday used sport car.

     
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