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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

     Well, there is always something new around the corner. The day you get a car, it is already obsolete. Car manufacturers make changes every year to their cars to keep pace with the others...


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    JimFlat6:
    MKW:
    JimFlat6:

    Once again Porsche trots out their old Turbo S marketing trick..  

     

     Having mutiple engine variants and " $pecial"  versions of each has been their  business model for the  911 range since it  replaced the 356 line in 1965 - so what else is new ? It'll still be that way in the 2055 model year , when your great-grandchild  will be muttering the same thing . 

    Smiley


    Let me clarify the variants in your knowledge of all things Porsche.

    The 911 Turbo S comes out always when its the last year of the 911 body style. 

     A  S model Turbo is never released simultaneous with a new model standard Turbo.

     And the " most special" versions of various Ferraris and Lambos ( heck, even Honda Accords ) always come out near the ends of their runs also . 

    If a Turbo S came out same time as reg Turbo , you can bet the marketing folks wouldn't be able to control themselves and an " S2" would be in the offering 12-18 mos later  , and of course an  " RS2" in the last model year , etc., and you are back at square one  with purchasing angst. You'd probably do the same if you were in their employ because you have to  put  " an ass in every seat " for every car you build ,as the universal car  industry insider  parlance goes . 

    Smiley


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Guys, what do you think, is this "Flatblack" or "Basaltblack"?

    Which (black) colour suit better to the Turbo S  in your opinion?

    dnirgp.jpg


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:

    Guys, what do you think, is this "Flatblack" or "Basaltblack"?

    Which (black) colour suit better to the Turbo S  in your opinion?

    I think that that image has been digitally reworked so much that it is not really possible to say with certainty whether the original car was flat black or basalt black metallic.  Smiley

    I have specced Porsches both in flat black and in basalt metallic in the past, so I can claim to be completely unbiased. Smiley 

    Based on experience of "living" with the colors, I would say that basalt black metallic is worth the premium price, because it gives the impression of a better quality paint job both when the car is clean and, especially, when the car is dirty. 


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

     I had a black with gold flecks. I forget what it was called (it's been over ten years since I owned a 911). NIce color but impossible to keep clean.

    If you like driving around in a car that looks dirty, be sure to order some form of black.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:

    Guys, what do you think, is this "Flatblack" or "Basaltblack"?

    Which (black) colour suit better to the Turbo S  in your opinion?

     


    I think Kreso said it is basalt and from the Turbo S brochure I would say it is. Smiley

    I would not order a car in plain black again. Yes, it looks absolutely gorgeous when clean, but it never is and plain black is so sensitive against scratches and even minor swirls, you won't even notice with every other colour.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Thank you for your comments and recommendations
    So I thing I would go for basalt blk in case I decide for black at all.
    Currently I don't know if I should order a Turbo S  and which color apart of black is suitable.

     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:

    Thank you for your comments and recommendations
    So I thing I would go for basalt blk in case I decide for black at all.
    Currently I don't know if I should order a Turbo S  and which color apart of black is suitable.

     


    My favourite colors for 997.2 Turbo/Turbo S are:

    Meteorgraumetallic

    GT Silbermetallic

     

    New Eisblaumetallic is somehow interesting as well.

    Amethystmetallic is new interesting sonderlackierung that replaces Atlasgraumetallic.

     

    Basaltschwarzmetallic? For Panamers for sure-just IMHO not so for 997.2 Turbo. I know that many will disagree with me since we have many Black 911 fans here...


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Thanks, Kreso.
    Yes, meteorgrey works for me as well but after driving the 997.1 turbo with this color, I would like to change.
    Iceblue is very special, my wife love it, but I'm not sure...
    Amethystmetallic: yes would be suitable but currently not available for order.
    (Not before Sept.2010)

    Not that easy....


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:

    Thanks, Kreso.
    Yes, meteorgrey works for me as well but after driving the 997.1 turbo with this color, I would like to change.
    Iceblue is very special, my wife love it, but I'm not sure...
    Amethystmetallic: yes would be suitable but currently not available for order.
    (Not before Sept.2010)

    Not that easy....


    New iceblue is nice, but would I order it? Probably no.

    Does anybody know, how the new platinumsilver looks like? Meteor sure is nice, but I can understand that you want a change. I feel the same with my former seal grey. Amethyst is just a bit too dark for me, I assume it is the same colour as for the Panamera. And too much purple of course. Aquablue is nice as well, but it's very "blue".

    So there's not much left, basalt is still very high on my list. Smiley


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

     I know this may sound odd coming from a person who believes sports should be exciting to look at but the color I would choose is white with beige interior. Porsche white is fantastic. It is the best on the market and does wonders for the appearance of the turbo which has several openings (cut outs) on its exterior.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    I'm finding my car (just a humble turbo) in Aqua Blue gets very dirty, very quickly, especially around the back of the car. Bad time of year for keeping cars clean in the UK anyway but it looks like the aerodynamics are tuned to perfection to dump dirt across the back. Oh, and the RS Spyder wheels are a nightmare to clean. Apart from all the spokes, there's a "gutter" around the rim behind the spokes where the run-off collects.


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    MarkN:

    Oh, and the RS Spyder wheels are a nightmare to clean. Apart from all the spokes, there's a "gutter" around the rim behind the spokes where the run-off collects.


    PCCB. Smiley
     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Maybe!


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:

    Guys, what do you think, is this "Flatblack" or "Basaltblack"?

    dnirgp.jpg

     

    It gives more the impression of flat black but as being said this is influenced by Photoshop correction and the fact that one will hardly see the car in such clean condition on the road. Smiley


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Other than the thin front lip, the black car above looks stunning! Hard to beat yellow brake w/ silver wheel on a black car. I even like the interior -- I assume this is two tone beige and black?

    There was some discussion a while back about the PDK Turbo not being ECU-moddable for fear of damage, not to the engine, but to the PDK. The Turbo S is the answer: A ECU-mod that is factory approved and obviously won't exceed the limit of the PDK.

    Perhaps Turbo S engine will be same as 997.2 GT2's engine? Both giving a hint to the max allowable torque limit of PDK, before it does "a GTR"?


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    997.2 Turbo S in from now in German Porsche Configurator.


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Rossi:

    So there's not much left, basalt is still very high on my list. Smiley


    Actually basalt is currently on my list high as well. Thank you for your opinion.

    Can't understand that Porsche isn't able to offer some more colors with the attributes:

    - suitable and exclusively for the Turbo S
    - elegant for an typical GT
    - sporty to underline the power

    I ask to much from Porsche? Smiley

     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Again thank you for your thoughts, guys.Smiley


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Conny997:
    Rossi:

    So there's not much left, basalt is still very high on my list. Smiley


    Actually basalt is currently on my list high as well. Thank you for your opinion.

    Can't understand that Porsche isn't able to offer some more colors with the attributes:

    - suitable and exclusively for the Turbo S
    - elegant for an typical GT
    - sporty to underline the power

    I ask to much from Porsche? Smiley

     


    In that case GT Silver Metallic.


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    KresoF1:
    Conny997:
    Rossi:

    So there's not much left, basalt is still very high on my list. Smiley


    Actually basalt is currently on my list high as well. Thank you for your opinion.

    Can't understand that Porsche isn't able to offer some more colors with the attributes:

    - suitable and exclusively for the Turbo S
    - elegant for an typical GT
    - sporty to underline the power

    I ask to much from Porsche? Smiley

     


    In that case GT Silver Metallic.

     

    Nope... the GT silver on the Turbo is for me the worst color you could choose on that car.

    A friend of mine has a Macadamia Convertible Turbo. Looks nice and elegant, but not sporty at all.

    Basalt is great! Atlas might be a another choice.


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Lars997:
    KresoF1:
    Conny997:
    Rossi:

    So there's not much left, basalt is still very high on my list. Smiley


    Actually basalt is currently on my list high as well. Thank you for your opinion.

    Can't understand that Porsche isn't able to offer some more colors with the attributes:

    - suitable and exclusively for the Turbo S
    - elegant for an typical GT
    - sporty to underline the power

    I ask to much from Porsche? Smiley

     


    In that case GT Silver Metallic.

     

    Nope... the GT silver on the Turbo is for me the worst color you could choose on that car.

    A friend of mine has a Macadamia Convertible Turbo. Looks nice and elegant, but not sporty at all.

    Basalt is great! Atlas might be a another choice.


    My thoughts as well. Get Atlas as long as you can, as it will be discontinued in autumn (also not very fond of GT silver BTW).
     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    There is a problem since Atlas Grey is available till 07/2010 for normal 997.2 Turbo ONLY. NOT for Turbo S.

    My favourite color for 997.2 Turbo is Meteor Grey, with standard Turbo II wheels.

    MY personal problem is that I do not like any shade of black or white.

    Potential solution for Conny is(if he can wait) Carbon Grey from Panamera as special order. It would look awsome in that color and IMHO it is total shame that Porsche did not offer Carbongraumetallic as sonderfarbe.


    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    I think dark colours look better on a Turbo or Turbo S  They suit the character of the car IMHO.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    KresoF1:

    There is a problem since Atlas Grey is available till 07/2010 for normal 997.2 Turbo ONLY. NOT for Turbo S.special order.


    Thanks Kreso, I didn't know that. Smiley
     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    easy_rider911:

    I think dark colours look better on a Turbo or Turbo S  They suit the character of the car IMHO.


    Absolutely agree here. Smiley

    New platinumsilver is in the Configurator, it looks like grigio ingrid from Ferrari. Doesn't suit the Turbo/S IMO. Smiley
     


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

     A saw black turbo cab yesterday and because the color hid most of the distinguishing features of the car I couldn't tell if it was a base 997 or something else.In other words, all I could tell it was a Porsche and nothing more.

    Black or dark colors hide most of the styling features of a car. I guess on a Porsche, that isn't all bad.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    nberry:

     A saw black turbo cab yesterday and because the color hid most of the distinguishing features of the car I couldn't tell if it was a base 997 or something else.In other words, all I could tell it was a Porsche and nothing more.

    Black or dark colors hide most of the styling features of a car. I guess on a Porsche, that isn't all bad.

     Absolutely true!


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    nberry:

    Black or dark colors hide most of the styling features of a car. I guess on a Porsche, that isn't all bad.

    On the contrary, white 997 Turbos look great.


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    Re: New 997 Turbo S and Turbo S Cabriolet (2010)

    Your opinions and recommendations are very helpful. And yes, at least I will go with a kind of black and of course it might be an alternative to go with meteorgrey again. (Thanks for the suggestion Kreso).

    Yesterday I met my dealer and shot a pic of "darkolive metalic" on an 997 cab.
    Not that bad I think. The overall impression is like a deep and shiny black (more than basalt black).
    Only under sunny conditions one can see partly a slightly darkgreen shine. Her's a sample

    IMG_0177.JPG


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