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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Bizarre that they still feel the need to put the word PORSCHE on the back....  Is this exciting, always thought I'd like a wingless GT3 until I saw it.

    The Porsche Management in NZ says there's a LIGHTWEIGHT GT3 model coming - has anyone heard this???


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    watt:

    Bizarre that they still feel the need to put the word PORSCHE on the back....  Is this exciting, always thought I'd like a wingless GT3 until I saw it.

    The Porsche Management in NZ says there's a LIGHTWEIGHT GT3 model coming - has anyone heard this???

    Yes, they will call it "GT3 RS" smiley​​​​​​​


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porsche 911 GT3 Touring launch event...

    Porsche 911 Touring 01.jpg

    Porsche 911 Touring 02.jpg

    Porsche 911 Touring 03.jpg

    Porsche 911 Touring 04.jpg

    ...how do you like them apples? Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Thanks RC...Cayman sales slow here. Porsche offering attractive leasing options. Dealer called me this afternoon to let me know touring edition has been added to the US configurator and I'm close to receiving  an allocation. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The GT3-TP looks, dare I say, elegant, while giving the driver all the emotions of a GT3.  This could open up quite a bit of market space for Porsche if handled well, by expanding the range of cars in which owners can enjoy a special engine(in particular as the standard 911 engines have, to many, become a bit less special). I imagine this particular edition is a first step, obviously a poor mans 911R, but others will follow once the crying about diluting the GT range subsides. kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I presume the GTS is more of a "touring" model than the GT3 Touring.

    The GTS more torquey turbo engine is more suited to daily use, the suspension is more pliant for trips and in the city and the rear seats are intact. Plus you get the option of AWD for countries with difficult winters and the option of PDK.

    The GT3 T offers a high revving N/A engine which might be more special but has less of a "touring" nature. The noise, choice of tyres are also not very conducive to relaxed "touring".

    You lose 50HP but you also save 25.000EUR.

    IMO you either choose the fully-fledged, authentic GT3 or go for a type of Carrera.

    The GT3 T is an answer to question very few people asked but Porsche will have no problem selling  their production, like they always do, with their proficient marketing which will present this car as another special 911 yes

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I agree with you but only in the choice of name being "touring"

    this is not the pick of the range for touring

    however, put simply, if you want the gt3 engine and assosiated experience, but you don't like the wing then this is the ultimate car for you.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bluelines:
     

    It will be interesting to see how this different philosophy translates into real world numbers around the Ring Smiley

    Yes, if it had the rear seats this would have been a great GTS Smiley

    We know the answer to that Smiley  Still, the philosophy of this car has changed .  It is an R , but they were too sacred to called it that way Smiley

    If I would own only one 911 , this car would be it and be my DD and being used for the occasional track .

    My RS is the other way around . 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    4trac:

    The GT3-TP looks, dare I say, elegant, while giving the driver all the emotions of a GT3.  This could open up quite a bit of market space for Porsche if handled well, by expanding the range of cars in which owners can enjoy a special engine(in particular as the standard 911 engines have, to many, become a bit less special). I imagine this particular edition is a first step, obviously a poor mans 911R, but others will follow once the crying about diluting the GT range subsides. kiss

    It makes sense that Porsche is widening the GT3 line a bit more now that all the other 911 versions are turbocharged and there is no other NA option, not even an NA GTS, so I guess they are using the GT3 to take up some of the slack of that void.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Live stream of Porsche press conference from 11:30 CET at IAA in Frankfurt...

    Link: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-iaa-2017-novelty-911-cayenne-world-premiere-livestream-press-conference-14118.html


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porker:
    OH NO!!! Manual only and no AWD, how on earth will people be able to drive this thing! SmileySmiley 

    Thank god Porsche is not on the same page...

    Says someone driving a station wagon Beemer with AWD... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    steelested

    I agree with you but only in the choice of name being "touring"

    this is not the pick of the range for touring

    however, put simply, if you want the gt3 engine and assosiated experience, but you don't like the wing then this is the ultimate car for you.

    On the GT3, Porsche could have added a "wing delete option" or "Sport Design Paket" and allow a "rear seats option" to the wingless car.

    In that case you could have your wingless GT3 with PDK and/or rear seats. That hypothetical car would make more sense that the recent offering.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    reginos:

    steelested

    I agree with you but only in the choice of name being "touring"

    this is not the pick of the range for touring

    however, put simply, if you want the gt3 engine and assosiated experience, but you don't like the wing then this is the ultimate car for you.

    On the GT3, Porsche could have added a "wing delete option" or "Sport Design Paket" and allow a "rear seats option" to the wingless car.

    In that case you could have your wingless GT3 with PDK and/or rear seats. That hypothetical car would make more sense that the recent offering.


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    "Form follows function"

     

    Smiley As if Porsche wanted to piss off 911R owners. Smiley In the same process, they also pissed off potential PDK/rear seats customers. Smiley Great job! Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    true....actually the flippers.....


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC:
    Porker:
    OH NO!!! Manual only and no AWD, how on earth will people be able to drive this thing! SmileySmiley 

    Thank god Porsche is not on the same page...

    Says someone driving a station wagon Beemer with AWD... Smiley

    That's my wife's, but OK. What has a daily family car to do with a sportscar? 

    Does someone have info on the changes made to go to Touring spec? Does it have different springs, more sound deadening, etc.. ?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    disappointed after all the hype/rumours re rear seats. there is no reason to get this over a manual .2 GT3 imo.

     

    now I enjoy (and treasure) my 997.2 GT3 more than ever wink


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I don't know why Porsche limits the options available in a non-limited edition car.

    There are things that I can't understand from the brand. On one hand they milk customers with almost infinite lineups and absurdly expensive options. On the other one you can't paint the brake calipers nor buy a freaking GT3 TP PDK and/or with roll cage, with lots of people willing to pay money for that. Same for PTS allocations.

    The car itself? Brilliant, specially for those who want fly under the radar without sacrificing performance. Surprisingly for me, I think I prefer the one with the wing. IMHO they nailed it with the current GT3.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    alexalex88:

    I don't know why Porsche limits the options available in a non-limited edition car.

    There are things that I can't understand from the brand. On one hand they milk customers with almost infinite lineups and absurdly expensive options. On the other one you can't paint the brake calipers nor buy a freaking GT3 TP PDK and/or with roll cage, with lots of people willing to pay money for that. Same for PTS allocations.

    The car itself? Brilliant, specially for those who want fly under the radar without sacrificing performance. Surprisingly for me, I think I prefer the one with the wing. IMHO they nailed it with the current GT3.

    Couldn't agree more. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Maybe manual GT3 are selling very badly and they need to sell these manual transmissions... Amazing how many groups of costumers Porsche will annoy with this silly release.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    Maybe manual GT3 are selling very badly and they need to sell these manual transmissions... Amazing how many groups of costumers Porsche will annoy with this silly release.

    The decision to make the Touring came before sales of GT3, so no real  opportunity to know the take rate of manual by then.

    But Manual gearbox and mechanical LSD cost Porsche less than PDK and electronic LSD, so probably just motivated by higher margins...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    911R vs GT3 Touring

    -911R has single mass flywheel 

    -911R is numbered

    -911R has a bit more 'emotions', less insulation so more noise 

    -911R has a few lightweight bits

    -GT3 Touring has a better engine

    -GT3 Touring has a bit more stability at high speed due to extra downforce

    -GT3 Touring after configuration will be about 15% cheaper than a comparable 911R (both counting MSRP)

     

    The GT3 Touring is a direct result from people going after the 911R like crazies. 

    Some say about 80% of people ordering manual GT3 will go for the Touring option, rough guess Porsche will make around 4000 GT3. figured the take up rate for manual cars will be 30%, 1200 manual cars and if 80% figure is true, Porsche will make around 1000 GT3 Touring, around the same number as 911R. 

    Don't get swayed by forums about everyone is ordering manual. Car forums have perhaps a few hundred active members that are ordering manual cars, the silent majority outside of online forums will be ordering PDK. 

    Fitting PDK back onto the GT3 Touring is trivial, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche ended up allowing that option later down the road. 

    As a 911R owner, do I feel upset or betrayed? Not really. From talking to AP, I always knew a manual GT3 is coming, the 911R is just a beta car for them to test out the 6-speed and diffuser. Porsche dressed up a beta test car and limit the number to make it 'special'. Now going all the way to make it wingless does put a little bit of sour taste in my mouth, but in the end, there are still a lot of content difference between the 2 cars. Hopefully with the Touring car people will not go crazy on the 911R anymore and make the price come down, so I can actually drive it more.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    Maybe manual GT3 are selling very badly and they need to sell these manual transmissions... Amazing how many groups of costumers Porsche will annoy with this silly release.

    My dealer is seeing higher demand for the MT than PDK in the GT3 Winged version. 


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I can't believe they went through all of this trouble and didn't add rear seats. mail

    I went from "blocking out some time next week to go see my salesperson" to "F$ck Porsche, they're never going to make a car that actually really  suits my needs."

    Also Porsche interiors are sh!t and this one really drives it home. Looks cheap, feels cheap and is two generations behind the worst of its competition. 

    Christ I'm pissed off right now.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    911R vs GT3 Touring

    -911R has single mass flywheel 

    -911R is numbered

    -911R has a bit more 'emotions', less insulation so more noise 

    -911R has a few lightweight bits

    -GT3 Touring has a better engine

    -GT3 Touring has a bit more stability at high speed due to extra downforce

    -GT3 Touring after configuration will be about 15% cheaper than a comparable 911R (both counting MSRP)

     

    The GT3 Touring is a direct result from people going after the 911R like crazies. 

    Some say about 80% of people ordering manual GT3 will go for the Touring option, rough guess Porsche will make around 4000 GT3. figured the take up rate for manual cars will be 30%, 1200 manual cars and if 80% figure is true, Porsche will make around 1000 GT3 Touring, around the same number as 911R. 

    Don't get swayed by forums about everyone is ordering manual. Car forums have perhaps a few hundred active members that are ordering manual cars, the silent majority outside of online forums will be ordering PDK. 

    Fitting PDK back onto the GT3 Touring is trivial, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche ended up allowing that option later down the road. 

    As a 911R owner, do I feel upset or betrayed? Not really. From talking to AP, I always knew a manual GT3 is coming, the 911R is just a beta car for them to test out the 6-speed and diffuser. Porsche dressed up a beta test car and limit the number to make it 'special'. Now going all the way to make it wingless does put a little bit of sour taste in my mouth, but in the end, there are still a lot of content difference between the 2 cars. Hopefully with the Touring car people will not go crazy on the 911R anymore and make the price come down, so I can actually drive it more.

     

    As usual this is probably spot on NickSmiley


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    Whoopsy:

    911R vs GT3 Touring

    -911R has single mass flywheel 

    -911R is numbered

    -911R has a bit more 'emotions', less insulation so more noise 

    -911R has a few lightweight bits

    -GT3 Touring has a better engine

    -GT3 Touring has a bit more stability at high speed due to extra downforce

    -GT3 Touring after configuration will be about 15% cheaper than a comparable 911R (both counting MSRP)

     

    The GT3 Touring is a direct result from people going after the 911R like crazies. 

    Some say about 80% of people ordering manual GT3 will go for the Touring option, rough guess Porsche will make around 4000 GT3. figured the take up rate for manual cars will be 30%, 1200 manual cars and if 80% figure is true, Porsche will make around 1000 GT3 Touring, around the same number as 911R. 

    Don't get swayed by forums about everyone is ordering manual. Car forums have perhaps a few hundred active members that are ordering manual cars, the silent majority outside of online forums will be ordering PDK. 

    Fitting PDK back onto the GT3 Touring is trivial, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche ended up allowing that option later down the road. 

    As a 911R owner, do I feel upset or betrayed? Not really. From talking to AP, I always knew a manual GT3 is coming, the 911R is just a beta car for them to test out the 6-speed and diffuser. Porsche dressed up a beta test car and limit the number to make it 'special'. Now going all the way to make it wingless does put a little bit of sour taste in my mouth, but in the end, there are still a lot of content difference between the 2 cars. Hopefully with the Touring car people will not go crazy on the 911R anymore and make the price come down, so I can actually drive it more.

     

    Voice of reason.  Refreshing.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Mithras:

    I can't believe they went through all of this trouble and didn't add rear seats. mail

    I went from "blocking out some time next week to go see my salesperson" to "F$ck Porsche, they're never going to make a car that actually really  suits my needs."

    Also Porsche interiors are sh!t and this one really drives it home. Looks cheap, feels cheap and is two generations behind the worst of its competition. 

    Christ I'm pissed off right now.

    Funny enough that is most of the reasons why I moved away from the 911 9 years agoSmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    911R vs GT3 Touring

    -911R has single mass flywheel 

    -911R is numbered

    -911R has a bit more 'emotions', less insulation so more noise 

    -911R has a few lightweight bits

    -GT3 Touring has a better engine

    -GT3 Touring has a bit more stability at high speed due to extra downforce

    -GT3 Touring after configuration will be about 15% cheaper than a comparable 911R (both counting MSRP)

     

    The GT3 Touring is a direct result from people going after the 911R like crazies. 

    Some say about 80% of people ordering manual GT3 will go for the Touring option, rough guess Porsche will make around 4000 GT3. figured the take up rate for manual cars will be 30%, 1200 manual cars and if 80% figure is true, Porsche will make around 1000 GT3 Touring, around the same number as 911R. 

    Don't get swayed by forums about everyone is ordering manual. Car forums have perhaps a few hundred active members that are ordering manual cars, the silent majority outside of online forums will be ordering PDK. 

    Fitting PDK back onto the GT3 Touring is trivial, I wouldn't be surprised if Porsche ended up allowing that option later down the road. 

    As a 911R owner, do I feel upset or betrayed? Not really. From talking to AP, I always knew a manual GT3 is coming, the 911R is just a beta car for them to test out the 6-speed and diffuser. Porsche dressed up a beta test car and limit the number to make it 'special'. Now going all the way to make it wingless does put a little bit of sour taste in my mouth, but in the end, there are still a lot of content difference between the 2 cars. Hopefully with the Touring car people will not go crazy on the 911R anymore and make the price come down, so I can actually drive it more.

     

    Great summary!..Plus you created the next GT3 Touring Edition model - PDK version 


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Probably also a '' message '' to the flippers . It had gotten out of hand . The speculation driving everybody nuts .

    With the release of the T , futur speculator on limited models  will think twice  . 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    There was talk of interesting colours and interior materials for the Touring as well, but I don't see any mention of that outside of the corduroy(?) seat facings.  Launching it in Sapphire Blue doesn't suggest there will be interesting colours either.  


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gnil:

    Probable aslo a '' message '' to the flippers . It has gotten out of hand . The speculation driving everybody nuts .

    With the release of the T , futur speculator on limited models  will think twice  . 

    A Porsche should not be considered a commodity like Orange Crop futures...No insult meant for Rennteam members who are Commodity Traders 


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