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    997 - Not so porsche like anymore??

    Just a quick comment - i recently drove a 996 Turbo back to back with my 997. Sadly when I got back into the 997, i felt that it lacked some of the rigid qualities Porsche were so renowned for. Meaning that the 996 scared whoever was driving because you weren't sure what it'll do or how it will behave. Honestly the 997 felt more like a cayenne than a 911. Given all that, i still love it! Any thoughts?

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    Car magazine had an article a while back that echoed that thought. However, they also said the GT3 had that old school 911 edge of danger about it and it was the best 911 on sale

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    A 997 is a VERY FAR cry from a 996 TT. Though I'm a critic of the current Porsche movement (because I'm a long-time customer/enthusiast), I can readily tell you that you will need to get into a 997 TT to compare apples to apples.

    Get into a base 996 and then drive your 997... there won't be much of a difference. This is what so many of us complain about. Some of the newer buyers don't seem to care because they've never owned an older model and thus don't realize how watered down it's becoming.

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    I own both a 997 C2S and an 86 Carrera. The 997 is a far more capable car than the 86, but the 86 takes a lot more effort and concentration to drive and it makes you feel much more connected to the road. The 997 is no more difficult to drive than a Ford Taurus.

    Last year there was a guy in our PCA region who I talked to at a DE. He had recently bought a 911SC as a track car to replace his 993. When I asked him how he liked tracking the SC vs. the 993, he thought for a second and said "the SC is WAY harder to drive."

    My opinion: The 997 is a better car, but the 86 is a better 911.

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    911Dave said:
    My opinion: The 997 is a better car, but the 86 is a better 911.



    That's a good way to sum it up.

    But I suspect that a lot of the people who complain about the 911 having been "watered down" are the same ones who wouldn't have been able to live with the old 911.

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    911Dave said:
    I own both a 997 C2S and an 86 Carrera. The 997 is a far more capable car than the 86, but the 86 takes a lot more effort and concentration to drive and it makes you feel much more connected to the road. The 997 is no more difficult to drive than a Ford Taurus.

    Last year there was a guy in our PCA region who I talked to at a DE. He had recently bought a 911SC as a track car to replace his 993. When I asked him how he liked tracking the SC vs. the 993, he thought for a second and said "the SC is WAY harder to drive."

    My opinion: The 997 is a better car, but the 86 is a better 911.


    My modified 73 911 is WAY more capable than my 993 (and my former 2002 996 3.6L) and only a little more difficult to drive than the 993 (and much more difficult than the 996).

    As for which is the better car, I'd vote for the 73, as long as I didn't have to drive it across the country

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    IDH said:
    the 996 scared whoever was driving because you weren't sure what it'll do or how it will behave.



    That may be a generalized comparative experience for Porsche. No matter what I do my BoxsterS rarely scares me. If I want, on the same roads, I can get my 997S to terrify by hitting corners and curves really aggressively (totally stupid I know, but done infrequently on my familiar roads when nobody's around).

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    SoCalHoosier said:
    A 997 is a VERY FAR cry from a 996 TT. Though I'm a critic of the current Porsche movement (because I'm a long-time customer/enthusiast), I can readily tell you that you will need to get into a 997 TT to compare apples to apples.

    Get into a base 996 and then drive your 997... there won't be much of a difference. This is what so many of us complain about. Some of the newer buyers don't seem to care because they've never owned an older model and thus don't realize how watered down it's becoming.



    I really can't agree in this. My 997S beeing my 4th porsche (964t,993targa, 996 cab and 997S cab)i'm just convinced that the 997 gives more pleasure and feedback than the 996. I found the 996 too comfortabble and sterile according to suspension and sound.
    The 997 is a bit more 993-isch imho.(and this has nothing to do with the looks, only the real driversfeel)

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    I have to agree with Beltar: I owned a 993, a 996 and now a 997 and the feeling of the 997 is a lot more like the 993.
    For me the 997 is the perfect marriage between the 996 and the 993 (not only the looks, but the way it feels when driving).

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    The 997 is much better than the 996. Many needed improvements and refinements were made. Now whether or not is more Porsche like is dependant on the type of driving being done. Many cherish the 993 and earlier for the more visceral seat of the pants feel. However I most certainly would favor the 997 if I had to drive cross county in August.

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    generally true that newer cars are more tamed with electronics and understeery factory alignments but the heavier awd 996tt is hardly what a 911 is about

    you probably just felt the extra power

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    fritz said:
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    911Dave said:
    My opinion: The 997 is a better car, but the 86 is a better 911.



    That's a good way to sum it up.

    But I suspect that a lot of the people who complain about the 911 having been "watered down" are the same ones who wouldn't have been able to live with the old 911.



    After almost three years, I finally got myself in trouble with my 997 this last week. I never got to drive the older 911s, but I used to track my 914 when I was younger and remember it was so much easier to push it to the limits and much faster than the current 911s at that time in the turns. I had no suprises with it. This last week, I was on a sharp freeway to freeway connector road. I felt the rear end moving out but as long as the road was curving I just made sure the accelerator was pushed. The trouble was when the road went straight. That is when the rear finally broke lose and if it was not for the electronics, I would not have been saved. With a mid engine car, it was easy to control a four wheel skid, but with a 911, I find it more difficult even with all the electronics.

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    If you think the 997 is tame, drive it with PSM off and then you will get some of that scary feeling back, yeah, keep it off in the rain too and see how much the 911 has been tamed. One more thing was the 997 you tried a C2S or a C4 variant. i get scared enough when i take PSM off, if you want scary get a '67 short wheelbase 911.

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    vtrader said:
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    fritz said:
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    911Dave said:
    My opinion: The 997 is a better car, but the 86 is a better 911.





    That's a good way to sum it up.

    But I suspect that a lot of the people who complain about the 911 having been "watered down" are the same ones who wouldn't have been able to live with the old 911.



    After almost three years, I finally got myself in trouble with my 997 this last week. I never got to drive the older 911s, but I used to track my 914 when I was younger and remember it was so much easier to push it to the limits and much faster than the current 911s at that time in the turns. I had no suprises with it. This last week, I was on a sharp freeway to freeway connector road. I felt the rear end moving out but as long as the road was curving I just made sure the accelerator was pushed. The trouble was when the road went straight. That is when the rear finally broke lose and if it was not for the electronics, I would not have been saved. With a mid engine car, it was easy to control a four wheel skid, but with a 911, I find it more difficult even with all the electronics.



    Compliments to all the experienced Porsche owners who have given their views of the pros and cons of the 997 versus earlier Porsche 911's and mid-engined Porsches! I especially find the comments on handling of the new 997's with the stability management helpful.

    I think the watchword for driving (for relative novices like me who have not owned a Porsche before) the 911 is to drive "smoothly," meaning take turns and straights without jerking around the steering wheel and without excessive throttle input until you are on a predictable path. In one of the early on-line commercials for the Porsche Driving Experience (now renamed), Hurley Haywood or someone else made a voice-over comment about learning to drive smoothly. I have taken that advice seriously in driving my 911S through tight corners and when accelerating at the exit of turns.

    Jim

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    The 997 has much better chassis than the 996. IMHO the 997S handles better than the 996TT, much more rigid of car. The older 911 were not as easy to drive, difficult to shift and honestly that's why I liked my older 911's, because not too many people could drive them. I had a 94 C2 Turbo and with all the modifications the car became a beast. Not that many people could drive that car as it was so temperemental, but I loved it. When I got the 996TT I loved the car but it was not the old beast any more. Much more advanced and sophisticated and easier to drive. So I missed the untamed beast. When I got the 997S I immediately knew it's a different generation and different era for the 911. But I still love the 997S and have not convinced myself if I should swap for the new 997TT or GT3. Granted they are both much better the 997S but I am still not tired of my 997S

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    Have owned Porsches since 1974. This is my third 911, and clearly the best for driving, in control, at speed. Sure, it's not like a 1970s 911 nor should it be. I don't think it's that tamed,--but what do you expect these days?

    Dan

     
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