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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

      Early prototype or a Ford Probe

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Kobalt:

      Early prototype or a Ford Probe

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gnil:

    If anyone wants to have a close look at the wooden wing .... 

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    I like the rims kiss

    This mock-up wing must be a bad joke! Smiley Perhaps it's a fake design to confuse competitors... Smiley

    By contrast, the small duck-tail spoiler look good and real! Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    could be active - hence the weird "casing"


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    BjoernB:

    could be active - hence the weird "casing"

    "Cocoon" anybody? Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I think they should take the gaffer tape off and expose the nice grain of the wood for us to see indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I was thinking the same thing: I want to see the wood grain; and will they have the same wood options as in the Panamera (Sweetgum anyone?). Actually, my guess is that the wind will be magnetically levitated; no visible supports at all.

    Kidding aside, the gap below the wing (between the support and the actual wing) confirms that the support is from above.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    If it’s an active rear wing, this will improve Ring time a bunch without a significant power increase.   But it’s so ugly, should increase Touring sales...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Well not until touring has PDK...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    SciFrog:

    Well not until touring has PDK...

    But if they make it with PDK, you'll complain that it's not a convertible.  And when they make the convertible, you'll complain that there are no back seats.  Might as well list all your complaints up front Smiley


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    Porsche can do whatever the bean counters tell them to do. My money is just going somewhere else... After 20 years uninterrupted, there are no more Porsches in my household and no real plan to get another one...


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:
    Gnil:

    If anyone wants to have a close look at the wooden wing .... 

    IMG_5876.jpg

    IMG_5874.jpg

    IMG_5873.jpg

    IMG_5875.jpg

     

    I like the rims kiss

    This mock-up wing must be a bad joke! Smiley Perhaps it's a fake design to confuse competitors... Smiley

    By contrast, the small duck-tail spoiler look good and real! Smiley

    Calm down boys...non of you really thinks that P will keep this wing...It's a testing mule, nothing to worry about. 992 GT3 will get a nice wing as all GT3 generations got Smiley I cannot remember someone was worried about this Boxster rims...Test mules naturally look weird sometimes Smiley

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gnil:
    RC:

    Car development is happening constantly but the green light is given at a specific time and it is often later than many people actually think. Especially now, a lot of things are involved in the decision making process, so I wouldn't be surprised if six months later, they abort the 992 GT3 n/a. Smiley (I doubt it though).

    Still..... even with that , there has been ZERO surprises , all is going forward as it has always been following the exact same patters . 

    Pretty much, yes...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    SciFrog:

    Porsche can do whatever the bean counters tell them to do. My money is just going somewhere else... After 20 years uninterrupted, there are no more Porsches in my household and no real plan to get another one...

    This is exactly my problem as well: The cars either don't appeal to me and my needs or they are too expensive for what I get. Smiley A 960 could be a different story, maybe even some sort of Panamera Coupe.

    Right now I am more focused on the R8 facelift or the Huracan...as sad as this makes me.

    Just yesterday I counted the Porsche cars we owned in our family: 18 during the past 25 years. For the very first time, there is no Porsche in our garage and at some point, we had three Porsche in our garage (Cayenne, Boxster and 911).

    Very sad... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    Gnil:
    RC:

    Car development is happening constantly but the green light is given at a specific time and it is often later than many people actually think. Especially now, a lot of things are involved in the decision making process, so I wouldn't be surprised if six months later, they abort the 992 GT3 n/a. Smiley (I doubt it though).

    Still..... even with that , there has been ZERO surprises , all is going forward as it has always been following the exact same patters . 

    Pretty much, yes...

    Porsche would lose the game if the GT cars stay n/a. They need another at least 100 PS to be competitive with McLaren for example, especially given the high weight of the Porsche "lightweight" models. The have been squeezing little increments out of the n/a engine but this is near the limit.

    The current GTS is as fast as the GT3, almost.

    I cannot see the fuss about staying n/a when Porsche have a tradition in turbocharging high performance cars.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    +1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    reginos:
     

    Porsche would lose the game if the GT cars stay n/a. They need another at least 100 PS to be competitive with McLaren for example, especially given the high weight of the Porsche "lightweight" models. The have been squeezing little increments out of the n/a engine but this is near the limit.

    The current GTS is as fast as the GT3, almost.

    I cannot see the fuss about staying n/a when Porsche have a tradition in turbocharging high performance cars.

    I disagree, the only thing keeping me as a Porsche customer is the N/A GT cars.  Once they go turbocharged I see no reason not to move to McLaren.  Or god forbid an Audi R8 Smiley The N/A engine is what really differentiates the GT3 vs other track focused cars for me (along with being rear engined of course).

    I don't care about absolute speed or fastest track times, I care about the experience, and I just prefer N/A engines.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I agree.  For me, it’s the uniquely available combo of NA and Manual kiss

    There are some American cars that do this still also (GT350, etc),  but getting pretty rare...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    +1


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    SciFrog:

    Porsche can do whatever the bean counters tell them to do. My money is just going somewhere else... After 20 years uninterrupted, there are no more Porsches in my household and no real plan to get another one...

    This is exactly my problem as well: The cars either don't appeal to me and my needs or they are too expensive for what I get. Smiley A 960 could be a different story, maybe even some sort of Panamera Coupe.

    Right now I am more focused on the R8 facelift or the Huracan...as sad as this makes me.

    Just yesterday I counted the Porsche cars we owned in our family: 18 during the past 25 years. For the very first time, there is no Porsche in our garage and at some point, we had three Porsche in our garage (Cayenne, Boxster and 911).

    Very sad... Smiley

    Difficult to distinguish Porsche and its management from Mercedes now.  Sun's RS will be the 60th Porsche he's had when it arrives in March, but unlikely any more new ones from the corporate design monster will be considered. 

    But Sun plans to look back:  maybe older RS, even a 356.  And 488s are starting to get cheap, although he can only take one Labrador passenger instead of the 3 that fit in a GT3 or RS with the cage removed. And contrary to some comments above, the current GT3 is still a sports car, and a rather superb oneSmiley

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    lexs4:
    reginos:
     

    Porsche would lose the game if the GT cars stay n/a. They need another at least 100 PS to be competitive with McLaren for example, especially given the high weight of the Porsche "lightweight" models. The have been squeezing little increments out of the n/a engine but this is near the limit.

    The current GTS is as fast as the GT3, almost.

    I cannot see the fuss about staying n/a when Porsche have a tradition in turbocharging high performance cars.

    I disagree, the only thing keeping me as a Porsche customer is the N/A GT cars.  Once they go turbocharged I see no reason not to move to McLaren.  Or god forbid an Audi R8 Smiley The N/A engine is what really differentiates the GT3 vs other track focused cars for me (along with being rear engined of course).

    I don't care about absolute speed or fastest track times, I care about the experience, and I just prefer N/A engines.

    I appreciate what you say but many people said the same about the Carrera models before they went turbocharged. The  991.2 GTS for example is super fast now, effortless with plenty of torque and no perceptible lag. Best of all worlds. There is an issue for some with the sound  but forced induction comes with many redeeming features.

    Besides I believe that for Porsche to stay ahead in GT racing and not rely on BoP alterations, they should use turbo engines like everybody else. In that case the GT homologation cars will be turbocharged as a consequence.

     

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:

    I agree.  For me, it’s the uniquely available combo of NA and Manual kiss

    There are some American cars that do this still also (GT350, etc),  but getting pretty rare...

    Keeping the choice of Manual is a very good idea.

    However, IMO they should extra for this rare option Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I'm with Grant on this.  Give me NA and manual any day.

    It's all about the feel.

    Plenty of time to buy turbo and electric cars. 

    Besides, for non-track driving, that means 99% of my driving, I really don't need more horsepower.

    If I need a very fast car that I don't have, I can always visit Whoopsy.indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    just five Minutes away ? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Just three minutes if Whoopsy is doing it going the other direction, sideways, in the ... take your pick. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Leawood911:

    Just three minutes if Whoopsy is doing it going the other direction, sideways, in the ... take your pick. 

    But is he ever home?  Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:

    I agree.  For me, it’s the uniquely available combo of NA and Manual kiss

    There are some American cars that do this still also (GT350, etc),  but getting pretty rare...

    SmileySmiley My 991.1 GTS with MT is an enjoyable car as a daily driver. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Jesus why am I being discussed? 

    For the record, I am not home again smiley

     

    Interesting thing, everyone talked about how 'heavy' a 911 is. Seems like everyone forget Porsche published DIN weight. Like Street weight. McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and everyone else is published dry weight, bone dry weight. With nothing in the car. Once they get filled up to DIN spec and put on the street, they are not that much lighter than a Porsche, maybe every heavier.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Whoopsy:

    Interesting thing, everyone talked about how 'heavy' a 911 is. Seems like everyone forget Porsche published DIN weight. Like Street weight. McLaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and everyone else is published dry weight, bone dry weight. With nothing in the car. Once they get filled up to DIN spec and put on the street, they are not that much lighter than a Porsche, maybe every heavier.

     

    heavier indeed...Smiley

    GT3 is so far pretty light, the figures from Porker proved it.

    I am going to scale mine soon. stock with steel brakes and horrendous amount of leather everywhere Smiley

    let'see where I sit compared to Porker.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    My Touring was weighted at Manthey at 1532.9 kg including 45 litres fuel and 80 kg driver weight. Car is with full leather, a/c, sat nav, LWB and PCCB, maybe the Viper painting adds a bit😉


     
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