Crown

Board: Other Sports Cars Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    M3 CSL

    I remember a couple of discussions here on the new BMW M3 CSL and what was needed to get the 250Km/h limit removed.

    Well, today I have decided to sell my MY2K Carrera 4 Cab and get a new black CSL. When signing the order at the BMW dealership here in Switzerland, the sales guy asked me if I wanted the car with or without the 250Km/h limiter. After I had told him that 'Yes', I wanted an 'open' car, he gave me a very simple standard form to sign and apparently, that's IT!! The contents of the original form is in German but it's only three sentences saying something like:

    "I am intending to use the BMW M3 CSL for motor sports activities. Based on this, I am asking the manufacturer to remove the 250Km/h speed limit. I am aware that any Guarantee/Warranty will not be affected by this."

    The original goes:

    "Ich beabsichtige, das vom mir bestellte Fahrzeug BMW M3 CSL für Motorsportveranstaltungen zu nutzen. Aufgrund dessen bitte ich Sie, die Einschränkung der Höchstgeschwindigkeit auf 250Km/h werksseitig aufheben zu lassen. Mit ist bewusst, dass Gewährleistungseinschränkungen gemäss der Verkaufsbedingungen hiervon unberührt bleiben."

    If I remember correctly, RC stated that in Germany this same action would require a valid international racing license. Sounds like the restrictions are far less stringent here in Switzerland as they apparently are in Germany. And I always thought we Swiss are the champions in setting of rules and regulations

    BTW, I had to sign a similar paper for the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires.....

    Frankly, I still don't understand the reason why BMW is asking its customers to sign those papers? However, since I can't see any harm either, I signed both documents.

    Delivery of the car is sometime in early February

    Gregor

    PS: Anybody interested in my C4Cab? Please let me know.

    Re: M3 CSL

    Congrats on your soon to be new car - I really love the carbon parts. Be sure to enjoy this beauty on the track as well. It would be a pity not to use those compound tires for what they were intended for.

    As for the racing licens... I don't know if the rules differ from country to country (apparently they do). However should you need to obtain one it is no big problem (depending on the race category). Assuming you have a bit of skill and interest in driving a car around a track. I have a C-licens (obtained in Denmark) which so far has been sufficient for the few race courses I've been to.

    Anyway, happy driving!

    Re: M3 CSL

    Gregor, this is actually the same paper which has to be signed over here in Germany. The problem is: BMW will ask your dealer to provide a copy of your racing license.
    Maybe in Switzerland things are handled different but I just talked to a family friend who's a BMW dealer and this is actually how it works. He sold one CSL, his customer had to sign the same document you did sign and a few days later, BMW asked for a copy of the racing license. I hope you're lucky.

    Re: M3 CSL

    Christian, thanx very much for your reply even thought, obviously, I don't like reading what you're saying.

    Frankly, I would be quite surprised if that will really happen. Reasons are:

    #1 None of the dealerships here (and I've checked out several, including one that had 3 'open' cars in the show room that I could have driven away that day) mentioned anything about producing a racing license.
    #2 What would the legal impact be? After all, it is my understanding that I have a 100% valid and legally binding contract with BMW. It would surprise me VERY much if they can simply change the terms of this document after both signatures!
    #3 I honestly don't see what BMW could gain by asking for this license? Doubt very much that they could fight off any claims against them, even if the driver is a total novice.
    #4 How could they possibly prevent a first buyer from selling the car to ANYBODY?

    I guess I could think of a few more.....

    In any case, I will let you know right away should I actually get a request for producing such a license.

    OT : The only thing I hope I will NOT have to do after I take delivery of the car is, 'cheering for the BMW-Williams F1 team'. I am not a big fan of both of their drivers and Ferrari stands above all of them, no matter what

    Have a great weekend ya'll.

    Gregor

    Re: M3 CSL

    Different country, different rules? I hope it...for you.
    You're right, it doesn't make sense that a customer signs a contract and after a few days, his dealer gets a nice letter from BMW asking for a racing license. But this happened to the dealer I told you about.
    Actually all BMW dealers know that a racing license is mandatory to get the 280 kph top speed but maybe BMW changed it's policy? Strange.

    Also found this article. It reads: Schluss mit Newton, rein in die Praxis. Name: BMW M3 CSL. Hubraum: 3,2 Liter. Leistung: 360 PS. Spitze: 250 km/h. Aber nur weil er nicht mehr darf. Die Chefs in München haben es verboten und verkaufen die 280-km/h-Version nur gegen Vorlage einer Rennlizenz.

    Forgot...

    DO NOT ask your dealer to ask BMW what this is all about!
    One should never wake up sleeping dogs.

    Re: Forgot...

    Thanx for the interesting article from AutoBild and NO, I will certainly not ask my dealer about the racing license issue!!!!

    Gregor

     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA 3/19/19 7:36 PM
    watt
    333694 2073
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 3/20/19 9:25 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    223267 1178
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 3/20/19 3:11 PM
    crayphile
    151573 2664
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car 3/19/19 11:10 AM
    Wonderbar
    72577 916
    Porsche Sticky Paint protection film 3/5/19 3:05 PM
    Kobalt
    17264 158
    Porsche Sticky Child seats in a 991 11/29/18 3:43 PM
    RCA
    14905 35
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet 3/13/19 6:43 AM
    Mikla
    12781 145
    Porsche Sticky New 992 Turbo 3/4/19 10:48 AM
    RCA
    6531 52
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 3/20/19 8:30 AM
    bridggar
    5728 88
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S 1/4/19 7:02 PM
    Topspeed
    487748 4255
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017) 3/20/19 9:11 AM
    RCA
    425752 5229
    Porsche 992 (Next 911 generation 2019/2020) Thread Closed 11/29/18 11:38 AM
    RCA
    321320 3195
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 3/1/19 8:53 PM
    DJM48
    287909 2603
    Porsche Cayman GT4 3/17/19 12:44 PM
    bluelines
    285929 2815
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 3/20/19 2:49 PM
    acky
    222698 2800
    Ferrari 488 GTB/GTS 3/14/19 6:37 AM
    koko
    196319 1791
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 3/6/19 10:41 AM
    RCA
    192846 3358
    Others Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016 model) - Review (updated Feb 13th 2017) 12/17/18 12:42 PM
    RCA
    158901 2491
    Porsche Boxster Spyder (981) 8/31/18 10:25 AM
    WAY
    144940 757
    Ferrari Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor 5/22/18 9:16 PM
    RCA
    113313 789
    Others VW caught cheating emissions tests 5/3/18 7:52 PM
    CGX car nut
    108210 871
    Porsche Porsche Mission E - the future of Porsche? 3/15/19 6:55 PM
    CGX car nut
    101236 1389
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 12/7/18 10:15 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    69146 673
    Others Tesla Roadster 3/20/19 8:02 PM
    CGX car nut
    67386 2079
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models 11/3/18 11:09 AM
    bluelines
    48774 477
    AMG AMG GT R 3/6/19 7:44 PM
    RCA
    43799 619
    Lambo Lamborghini Huracan and variants 3/18/19 7:02 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    43220 838
    Lambo Aventador and SV 3/20/19 8:34 AM
    RCA
    42203 491
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Turbo S Exclusive Series (2017) 12/4/18 3:17 PM
    BiTurbo
    40800 650
    AMG Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis) 2/14/19 1:44 PM
    RCA
    40664 387
    274 items found, displaying 1 to 30.