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    430 is now officially the most beautiful of the 2

    http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1258752f9vb.jpg
    I look at this picture and I must say there is nothing after-market that could be put on the car that could make it look more complete or better looking than just keeping it stock .

    As I see the new 997TT turbo shots and how we are all trying to talk ourselves into liking it , the car is begging for after-market help . I look at this 430 picture stock and it is now obvious that the top of the line Ferrari is so so much more beautiful than the top of the line Porsche now ........ my things have changed . Up until 1999 for me it was the opposite , Ferrari has come a long way with the 360 and 430 if nothing else in the looks department . For most car buyers the looks have so much to do with falling in love with a car and rushing to write that check . I really thought Porsche was going to pull something out of the hat with the 997TT and it would be the best looking 911 of all times , it did not happen . Wait and see it when it comes out . yea yea yea ,, it will look a little better but for the most part it is what it is and now more than ever I think the value is even greater now for the 439 now that the 997TT pictures are out .

    I am not on the 430 list and can not pay over sticker so the 997TT is what I will have to have ... "Have to have " I have never bought a Porsche in all of the years that I have been buying them and felt like I was buying my second choice , it was always my choice no matter what was out there . Look at that black spider with the alloys it is just miles ahead of the Porsche in the looks dept. .... the 997TT opportunity for Porsche has been wasted in the looks department they could have done so much .

    The thing is a chopped up mess are you suppose to fall in love with a car ,it should not have to grow on you , the more I think about that comment the more ridicules it seems when you are spending 150k+ on a car . Did the 430 have to grow on anyone .. when was the last time you bought a car that had to grow on you ...... I can think of one .. the Porsche Cayenne that should be Porsches new slogan " Just wait it will grow on you " remember when it was "there is no substitute" you do not see them using that in the adds these days they no better . I was the full on die hard Porsche buyer ... they could do no wrong , if I am feeling like this there must be many others .

    Go aheard take another look
    http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1258752f9vb.jpg

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    OCEAN said:
    ...and now more than ever I think the value is even greater now for the 430 now that the 997TT pictures are out .



    Well, I really hope so.

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    ...and now more than ever I think the value is even greater now for the 430 now that the 997TT pictures are out .



    Well, I really hope so.



    after those pictures... my guess is that even the 996TT resale values will have a renaissance

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    ...and now more than ever I think the value is even greater now for the 430 now that the 997TT pictures are out .



    Well, I really hope so.



    after those pictures... my guess is that even the 996TT resale values will have a renaissance



    This starts what appears to be a real P-bashing thread...

    BTW where's Nick when you need him?

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    No I do not want to bash Porsche .... I am someone who loves Porsche and still does I just can not help but be disappointed in this model we all had such high hopes for . In the 75 to 100+ dollar range they still have the spot and redeemed themselves from the 996 getting the hips back and the interior improved but they went the other direction with the 997TT at least in the looks department . I am sure the car is going to be fabulous and a real improvement from the 996 in performance . It is just a cosmetic thing I have a problem with .

    Just seems with the 430 looking so good the model that really competes with the Ferrari the 997TT they would have gone out of their way to really make sure the car was the best it could be in the looks department like they do in the performance department , and the changes that they gave their flagship model cosmetically is kind of a non event . But there is no getting away without a comparison to the 997TT and the 430 they are aimed at kind of the same buyer ., and the MSRP is not that far apart , and the pictures are out .

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    Porsche has never been about styling. It looks like an inverted bath tub with a frog like appearance from the front.In the past, Porsche has been about reliability, value and performance.

    Sadly in each of those categories they have been slipping. Today it represents a car that past emotions is its main selling feature. Many buy it today based on the attraction the uniqueness and specialness the marque had in the past. Each passing day the affect is being emasculated with multiple look alike models and mass production.

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    Porsche has never been about styling. It looks like an inverted bath tub with a frog like appearance from the front.



    well I would not go that far ... it has always had a very unique look and up until the 430 a look I prefered , the company just lost somthing with the 996 and with the 977 they are back on track ., they just have some catchin up to do . In the preformance department the new 997Tt and its coming variations will probaly leave the 430 behind . I still think it is silly that Ferrari owners are so hung up on how many miles they put on their cars it is more of a sunday driver mentality , I hope that has nothing to do with the cars . I think with a few after market items the 997TT will look just fine just do not know why Porsche did not take the car there, and again their focus seems to be all about preformance and that is not a bad thing .

    The mass production thing does not bother me a bit keeps the car prices down and the ridiculas waiting game and all the list thing that you Ferrari guys deal with non exestence . It is nice to be able to buy a new car every year or so and drive it into the ground . Having to always be on a list seems kind of fragile and resale on the Ferrari seems to really depend on milage .

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    OCEAN said:
    http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1258752f9vb.jpg
    I look at this 430 picture stock and it is now obvious that the top of the line Ferrari is so so much more beautiful than the top of the line Porsche now ........ my things have changed .Go aheard take another look
    http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1258752f9vb.jpg



    Actually, you are comparing top of line Porsche (excluding CGT) with ENTRY Ferrari, but clearly there is some overlap at this price/performace level. Otherwise, I empathise with your views.

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    Ocean,

    I would say you should NOT get a Porsche. You should never just "settle" for anything when you have the choice. It's clear that you prefer the look, style etc. of the Ferrari very much, and it is a gorgeous car. But you have choices! Here is a link to a 360 with just 7300 miles and an asking price of $160K. That's not a lot more than an optioned TT and I think the 360 is actually better looking than the 430 to boot.

    http://www.premiercars.com/Inventory/124/ferrari-p2846

    Get your Ferrari and leave the Porsches to the people that really want them. I don't think you'll be happy otherwise.

    Just my $0.02

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    360 is yesterdays news ............ I would go with the 997TT over the 360 , the 430 is a whole new car and I do not think they can be compared . Thanks for the link , but that car looks old and dated after looking and driving the 430 .

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    Ocean,

    My $.02: Get on the 430 list NOW!
    Or-how about the 997S/4S with X51?


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    997C4SCab with X51&PCCB now ....... wait list for 997TTCab .........

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    997C4SCab with X51&PCCB now ....... wait list for 997TTCab .........



    OCEAN, why not import one (F430) from Europe? Not sure about the warranty, but it sure wouzld make getting the car easier.

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    OCEAN said:
    997C4SCab with X51&PCCB now ....... wait list for 997TTCab .........




    I was starting to think that we may be losing you.

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    Bottom line ................ if you need to pay over sticker it is a no go ( unless you have money to throw away ) especially when it comes to the Spider 80 -100K over sticker no getting away from this . If you are on the list and getting the car at MSRP then it is a whole other story .

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    That is one nice looking car. I want it!!

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    I'd like both of them in my garage!!!!!!

     
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