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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Would be a pretty high state of tune in comparison - the last 3.4 NA topped out at what? 350hp? You'd probably need some expensive component upgrades to get the power that high..  The same thought crossed my mind though - a NA variant of that engine..


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Well you would save on the cost of the turbos plus extra can be spent due to it being a GT product. Would be very cool of it was say 8000rpm and 3.0l engine. 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    jamesdamanuk1:

    Would be very cool of it was say 8000rpm and 3.0l engine. 

    Certainly would kiss


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    As far as I heard, no 4L GT3 engine (even not detuned) in the GT4.
    Some rumors say, new flat 6 3.8L engine n/a with particulate filters.
    Other rumors say flat 4 turbo or flat 6 turbo.

    No signs of PDK. All prototypes that have been seen until today were manual.

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    acky:

    Some rumors say, new flat 6 3.8L engine n/a with particulate filters.

    This would make the most sense to me, a detuned GT3 engine or a turbo from the 718 or Carrera, would be out of character for what the GT4 concept has been to date Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    As between a 3.4L and a 4.0L making the same horsepower, for performance you'd want the bigger displacement for torque reasons, even if the smaller engine might be more exciting.  


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Still, why would Porsche want to develop an engine which they could only have limited use for ? I drove a 991.2 GTS the other day and I think, that additional torque from the turbo would be just fine for the GT4, but, yeah, AP said, only n/a for the GT models....Smiley


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    I think the GT4 engine choice reflects a much larger issue with the overall 718 concept as a 4 cylinder.  I don't know about worldwide, but here in South Florida a new 718 of any flavor is a rare bird.  The S models are essentially $100K cars and as 4 cylinder, regardless of HP, are a hard sell.  A GT4 in any 6 cylinder guise amplifies the shortcoming of the 718 gambit and cast at least some doubt on the initial claims by Porsche that a turbo flat six could not be fit into the boxster/cayman platform. Porsche is at something of a crossroads with the GT4 because unless there is a 385HP twin turbo 4 in the GT4 the 718's long term viability immediately comes into question.


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    jamesdamanuk1:

    Complete left field idea but what if they used the 3.0 from the 911 took the turbos off and tuned it up to 400bhp? Not sure if that would work, a proper baby GT morot at 3.0l

    That would be 133 hp per Litre.  The GT3 spinning to 9,000 rpm can only manage 125 hp per Litre.  And it would have much less torque than the last GT4 (or even a current base Boxster)...


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    Ok so maybe it is a pipe dream lol


    Re: Cayman GT4

    DaveC:

    I think the GT4 engine choice reflects a much larger issue with the overall 718 concept as a 4 cylinder.  I don't know about worldwide, but here in South Florida a new 718 of any flavor is a rare bird.  The S models are essentially $100K cars and as 4 cylinder, regardless of HP, are a hard sell.  A GT4 in any 6 cylinder guise amplifies the shortcoming of the 718 gambit and cast at least some doubt on the initial claims by Porsche that a turbo flat six could not be fit into the boxster/cayman platform. Porsche is at something of a crossroads with the GT4 because unless there is a 385HP twin turbo 4 in the GT4 the 718's long term viability immediately comes into question.

    I’ve seen no more than a handful of 718s here, and half of them are base models driven by professional women. The very small sample probably points to something interesting, in that those buying 718s are probably interested in it due to styling or badge, but are less likely to be your traditional Porsche enthusiast. 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Funny "update": Talked to a buddy today and he says that he thinks he heard that there will be a GT4 RS only, with a detuned GT3 engine, price tag similar to current GT3, maybe a few EUR less. angry He wasn't sure about it but he said he heard no GT4 but GT4 RS only. Probably more profitable for Porsche and also easier to justify higher price tag.
    Again...rumor. This guy doesn't work at Porsche Motorsport, so he is relying at rumors as well.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    This would solve the engine dilemma since one could see the GT3 engine going into a GT4RS with a pricetag to match, but not regular GT4 edición previous gen got a carrera engne, and there is no NA Carrera engine anymore.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Interesting, although they probably shouldn’t de-tune it much if it’s going to be GT3 money.. That would be a brilliant car..


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Just the fact that there has never been a GT4RS, and comes out wirh a GT3 engine right before the disappearance of the last NA engines, they can detune the GT3 engine as much as they need, it will still sell like hot cakes even if at GT3 pricetags IMO.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Pietrostone:

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 

    I don’t think the current 718 chassis with strut rear suspension is a good match for 500hp.  Maybe the next generation  Boxster/Cayman chassis will have a multi-link rear?


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    Grant:
    Pietrostone:

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 

    I don’t think the current 718 chassis with strut rear suspension is a good match for 500hp.  Maybe the next generation  Boxster/Cayman chassis will have a multi-link rear?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

    I don’t know , but surely GT4 will take advantage from central engine displacement . The rear multi link suspension in 991 is also required due the rear engine position , maybe Cayman simply does not need a more complex rear suspension, maybe 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Pietrostone:
    Grant:
    Pietrostone:

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 

    I don’t think the current 718 chassis with strut rear suspension is a good match for 500hp.  Maybe the next generation  Boxster/Cayman chassis will have a multi-link rear?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

    I don’t know , but surely GT4 will take advantage from central engine displacement . The rear multi link suspension in 991 is also required due the rear engine position , maybe Cayman simply does not need a more complex rear suspension, maybe 

    Even the 385hp GT4 shows limitations from that suspension (including rapid tire wear)


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Grant:
    Pietrostone:
    Grant:
    Pietrostone:

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 

    I don’t think the current 718 chassis with strut rear suspension is a good match for 500hp.  Maybe the next generation  Boxster/Cayman chassis will have a multi-link rear?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

    I don’t know , but surely GT4 will take advantage from central engine displacement . The rear multi link suspension in 991 is also required due the rear engine position , maybe Cayman simply does not need a more complex rear suspension, maybe 

    Even the 385hp GT4 shows limitations from that suspension (including rapid tire wear)

     

    Not on the ClubSport, which uses the rear multi link from the the GT4. The whole front clip however came from the GT3 Cup car.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    Pietrostone:
    Grant:
    Pietrostone:

    In this case they just risk to have a GT4 with better performance than the GT3... 

    I don’t think the current 718 chassis with strut rear suspension is a good match for 500hp.  Maybe the next generation  Boxster/Cayman chassis will have a multi-link rear?


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

    I don’t know , but surely GT4 will take advantage from central engine displacement . The rear multi link suspension in 991 is also required due the rear engine position , maybe Cayman simply does not need a more complex rear suspension, maybe 

    Even the 385hp GT4 shows limitations from that suspension (including rapid tire wear)

     

    Not on the ClubSport, which uses the rear multi link from the the GT4. The whole front clip however came from the GT3 Cup car.

    On a race car, the stiff springs reduce suspension travel enough, so that the poor camber curve of the strut suspension is much less of an issue.  Neither the GT4 nor ClubSport uses multi-link rear...

    The trailing arm suspension of the early 911 also has a less than great camber curve (though better than strut) and a great way to help this is to increase spring rates, so that it doesn’t move much under load.  This is great on a track car, but not for a street car with comfort requirements...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Cayman GT4

    GT4 RS and GT4 spider make a LOT of sense, especially at GT3 prices...


    Re: Cayman GT4

    GT4 RS will be a beast. I can see it match the GT3's performance without a sweat. It's an RS afterall. Maybe not by sheer power, but on track with better handling characteristics.

    I have a feeling that Porsche is going out strong with the last NA engines. 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Gauss:

    GT4 RS will be a beast. I can see it match the GT3's performance without a sweat. It's an RS afterall. Maybe not by sheer power, but on track with better handling characteristics.

    I have a feeling that Porsche is going out strong with the last NA engines. 

    From a marketing point of view, this would make sense!


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Then again, that could make the change to all Turbos all the more difficult and painful image wise 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Gauss:

    I have a feeling that Porsche is going out strong with the last NA engines. 

    The GT2 RS is already turbo and kicking everyone's a** so I am not sure how much the "last NA" matters from a marking point of view. Then again, I am an engineer, not a marketer Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    remember global foot print with gas emission...they can't do what they wish without facing massive fines.angry

     


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    the-missile:

    remember global foot print with gas emission...they can't do what they wish without facing massive fines.angry

     

    You can't even imagine the challenge for the engine developers right now...we seem to be at a point where things will and have to change. 

    One example: The loudness of exhaust systems cannot change anymore, so when manufacuters are developing flap operated exhaust systems to change the sound (for example in certain driving modes), the dB level needs to be the same. Manually operated exhaust flap systems are forbidden on completely new models (see new RS5).


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    I see exactly what you mean and the future is not bright for petrolhead... laugh

    but the target of regular cars is funny because a tanker or a plane are burning way more than the rest of combustible engines. and by that,  I mean millions of tons more, daily. angel

    it is just easy to smoke the population and force everybody to upgrade to different technologies by going ''green'' smiley

    I will be interested to see the new regulations for the airfreight and seafreight manufacturer angry


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Offer for our German (European) GT4 lovers: My dealer just got a gorgeous GT4 factory(!) car with only 11k km on it. Car is like new (Porsche exchanged many parts), PCCB, very nice looking. Price is around 113k, lease is also possible (for Germans). Car really looks amazing.

    5588E153-8569-4331-93E1-2220A94FAD73.jpeg


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