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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Normally aspirated? There is a God after all! Hurrah! DI though? I hope it can rev as high as it's predecessor; DI used to have issues with that. Any news on the transmition? I hope it's still F1 and not dual clutch. Thanks for the heads up Andrea.
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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    andrea:

    update

     

    engine 4.7L DI NA (not turbo)

    weight not far from 430 scuderia

    new suspensions

    electronics from scuderia

    new stuff on transmission compart

    power level LP560/4


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    andrea:

    update

    engine 4.7L DI NA (not turbo)

    weight not far from 430 scuderia

    new suspensions

    electronics from scuderia

    new stuff on transmission compart

    power level LP560/4


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Design non sodifferent from actual f430

    599 rear tailights style

    front headlights will follow the style of 599 & california


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    Heist:
    andrea:

    update

    engine 4.7L DI NA (not turbo)

    weight not far from 430 scuderia

    new suspensions

    electronics from scuderia

    new stuff on transmission compart

    power level LP560/4


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    andrea:

    Design non sodifferent from actual f430

    599 rear tailights style

    front headlights will follow the style of 599 & california


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Andrea,just a question.This design seems to be near a 355 with a classic design(curves,profile,lower...) or more modern with straight lines as you said, with the 430 inspiration?


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Thanks andrea for all the new info! :)

    But, from all that It sounds like it really will look like a Pshop posted few posts above +California ugly tail lights and a bigger boring sounding gas guzzler engine...

    I really hope I will be wrong, I am looking forward to new suspension and DCT, though. :)


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    *performance  better than 430 scuderia

    *presentation iaa 2009 or 1st quarter 2010 (there are some delays)

    *very big research on wind-tunnel and very high level of electronics

    *target price  € 200.000,above lp560 but with ccm as standard equipment



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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    andrea:

    *performance  better than 430 scuderia

    *presentation iaa 2009 or 1st quarter 2010 (there are some delays)

    *very big research on wind-tunnel and very high level of electronics

    *target price  € 200.000,above lp560 but with ccm as standard equipment



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    Thanks again Andrea. Performance expectations sound promising. The 200k price tag was said to me by my dealer already three years ago. But LP560 plus CCM is also 200k, so no surprise here. Wind-Tunnel-Testings can only be good for the customer, I hope they'll get it right with the electronics, as well of course with the new design. Smiley

            


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Ferrari F450 will appear at Frankfurt
    Thursday, February 12, 2009

    From AUTOCAR

    Ferrari will unveil its F430 replacement at Frankfurt in October, giving its biggest-selling model a life of just five years.

    Code-named Ferrari F142 and expected to be christened Ferrari F450 in production, the new V8-powered car will be largely new, with few carryover components in the chassis or bodywork.

    While it was only released in 2004, the Ferrari F430’s chassis was heavily based on the 360 Modena whose parts dated back to 1999.

    Production of F430s has slowed recently, ahead of the F450’s start-of-production in July. Insiders who have seen the F450 insist it is one of the most beautiful Ferraris in years.

    While details on the car are scant, it will run an enlarged version of the F430’s V8, equipped with direct injection giving an output of more than 500bhp from its 4.5-litre capacity, hence the F450 moniker.

    The transmission will be a variant of the seven-speed dual-clutch system shared with the new California.

    Linked to Ferrari’s steering-wheel mounted ‘manettino’ control, the dual-clutch transmission promises drivers a choice between quick sporty changes and relaxed automatic operation.

    Ferrari has been working hard on weight reduction with its suppliers and the F450 is expected to take Alcoa’s advances in aluminium chassis technology to new heights.

    Sources also suggest the F450 is already as fast around the Fiorano test track as the compromise-free F430 Scuderia.

    But it will also ride more firmly than the Ferrari California, leaving buyers in no doubt about the focus of either car.

    European Ferrari F450 sales are expected to begin late this year or early in 2010.

    Michael Taylor

    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Nothing new from a German dealer, nevertheless here is what he said: Smiley

    - F142 will be a very sporty model, similar to a Scuderia
    - Ferrari doesn't have to care about comfort issues any longer, as there now is a Califonia
    - weight close to Scuderia, maybe even a bit lighter
    - something between 530 and 560 hp
    - DCT for sure
    - price starting at 210k or 220k Euro
    - presentation late this year, first deliveries February/March 2010


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Great news if it gets DCT. Smiley


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    bvineyards:

     the last picture is pretty funny.

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090226.034/ferrari-f142-mule-spied-showing-some-body-changes-and-gestures


            The second and third to last pics show the rear of the car. Those air inducts are huge. My first thought was extra cooling for a new turbo engine.

    At this point, its safe to say nobody knows what the specs, gearbox, body, or motor of the replacement car will be. For all we know Ferrari probably have some mules running around with turbo motors and DCT's while other mules are equipped with NA motors and a new version of superfast tranny.

     I think that makes sense. The engineers wanna firgure out which combination will yield better performance. This is pure speculation of coarse.


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    ^^^ Already confirmed. No turbo. N/A engine. Punched out by a quarter litre more. DCT definitely.

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    Heist:
    ^^^ Already confirmed. No turbo. N/A engine. Punched out by a quarter litre more. DCT definitely.

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    Although I would would be pleased with a N/A-V8, could you please elaborate who "already confirmed" it? And how can you be so sure about the capacity of the new engine? Smiley


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    Rossi:
    Heist:
    ^^^ Already confirmed. No turbo. N/A engine. Punched out by a quarter litre more. DCT definitely.

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    Although I would would be pleased with a N/A-V8, could you please elaborate who "already confirmed" it? And how can you be so sure about the capacity of the new engine? Smiley


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    I believe it was leaked by one of the Ferrari insiders that although Turbo was on the table at one point as an option, it was taken off when it was came down to start development just like AWD using a electronic front diff/drivetrain was considered briefly. 

    If I can find the reference article, I'll post it. 


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    According to the latest autobild sportscars :

    F142 - F470

    4,7l V8 NA

    580ps

    7-speed DCT

    frankfurt 2009


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    mv:

    According to the latest autobild sportscars :

    F142 - F470

    4,7l V8 NA

    580ps

    7-speed DCT

    frankfurt 2009


            Do you know the price will be same as the 430 Scuderia or less than that?


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    mv:

    According to the latest autobild sportscars :

    F142 - F470

    4,7l V8 NA

    580ps

    7-speed DCT

    frankfurt 2009


            Do you know the price will be same as the 430 Scuderia or less than that?


    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    Turbo4ever:
    mv:

    According to the latest autobild sportscars :

    F142 - F470

    4,7l V8 NA

    580ps

    7-speed DCT

    frankfurt 2009

            Do you know the price will be same as the 430 Scuderia or less than that?


    Optimist!  Smiley


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    According to italian Omniauto :

    4,7l NA V8

    cca 550hp

    1250kg (dry presumably)

    7-sped DCT

    400mm CCB, modified e-diff, magnetic ride,

    0-100km/h under 3,5s

    pic : http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2009/9027/photos650/lerede-della-ferrari-f430_1.jpg

    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    mv:


    pic : http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2009/9027/photos650/lerede-della-ferrari-f430_1.jpg

            


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    That design looks "detuned."  I'l bet it's close though as it resembles the Kaleefornia.

    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    SrfCity:
    That design looks "detuned."  I'l bet it's close though as it resembles the Kaleefornia.

    It's certainly a PS, as you can see many element of the California (front and rear lights, rims), but it does look quite good IMO. Smiley


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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    My thoughts exactly. Shades of Porsche? Smiley

     

    Stefan, I disagree. I don't think it looks that good.Smiley

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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    nberry:

    Stefan, I disagree. I don't think it looks that good.Smiley

    Never mind, Nick, I'm sure it will look totally different. Smiley



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    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    THIS IS IT GUYS : http://www.leftlanenews.com/ferrari-f450-future.html

    Re: News on the 430 Replacement

    If this is IT-I do not like what I see.

     
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