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    Aston's Interview

    They keep talking about 911 competitor but the price is close to 360 and turbo range.
    http://autos.msn.com/media/asx/Geneva_2005/AstonMartinInterview.asx

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    Ron (Houston) said:
    They keep talking about 911 competitor but the price is close to 360 and turbo range.
    http://autos.msn.com/media/asx/Geneva_2005/AstonMartinInterview.asx



    Thanks Ron!
    Nice interview. And yes, clearly aiming at Porsche and no one else.
    Well, this is the best compliment one can make to Porsche really.
    However, I didn't think it'd be that expensive! Pounds 80,000!!!!

    That is almost the price of the 996 Turbo, which let's be honest, evolves in another league performance wise.

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    May be they should re-market as faster than Boxster

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    Ron (Houston) said:
    They keep talking about 911 competitor but the price is close to 360 and turbo range.
    http://autos.msn.com/media/asx/Geneva_2005/AstonMartinInterview.asx



    given the production #s, if they sold every single allocation to a 911 buyer, it wouldn't make a dent in 911 sales.

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    Fanch said:
    However, I didn't think it'd be that expensive! Pounds 80,000!!!!

    That is almost the price of the 996 Turbo, which let's be honest, evolves in another league performance wise.



    Exactly. 104k Euro roughly USD $140k; now would you rather have a nicely optioned turbo or the AMV8. I think their pricing would be a deterent for potential customers.

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    Ron (Houston) said:
    Quote:
    Fanch said:
    However, I didn't think it'd be that expensive! Pounds 80,000!!!!

    That is almost the price of the 996 Turbo, which let's be honest, evolves in another league performance wise.



    Exactly. 104k Euro roughly USD $140k; now would you rather have a nicely optioned turbo or the AMV8. I think their pricing would be a deterent for potential customers.



    However I'm not sure if he knows what he's talking about because Pounds80,000 is 115,000 Euros
    And with today's Xchange rate $ 155,000! Mama mia!

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    Perhaps AM is pricing by the pound...the AMV8 does weigh roughly as much/more than 996TTS Coupe. Also, let's not forget that P hasn't yet priced (and determined target produc volumes for) 997TTS...when do PAG's currency hedges roll off?

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    VKSF said:
    Perhaps AM is pricing by the pound...the AMV8 does weigh roughly as much/more than 996TTS Coupe. Also, let's not forget that P hasn't yet priced (and determined target produc volumes for) 997TTS...when do PAG's currency hedges roll off?



    In 2007 and happens to be when the CEO Dr. WW contract is up too .

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    Perhaps AM is pricing by the pound...the AMV8 does weigh roughly as much/more than 996TTS Coupe. Also, let's not forget that P hasn't yet priced (and determined target produc volumes for) 997TTS...when do PAG's currency hedges roll off?



    it's not only the list price... i can only speak for germany, but here it's A LOT easier to run a porsche, even a turbo or GT3, than some "exotic" cars, even if they are priced equally. and i'm not speaking about your jealous neighbours but about insurance (astons, ferraris etc aren't even in their databases), maintenance (where's the next dealer?), not to mention trouble with tax authorities if it's a company car... a 911 is as common as a S class, but with e.g. an AM car they could suspect that you are a car nut and trying to finance your hobby thru your business.

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    zzboba said:
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    Perhaps AM is pricing by the pound...the AMV8 does weigh roughly as much/more than 996TTS Coupe. Also, let's not forget that P hasn't yet priced (and determined target produc volumes for) 997TTS...when do PAG's currency hedges roll off?



    it's not only the list price... i can only speak for germany, but here it's A LOT easier to run a porsche, even a turbo or GT3, than some "exotic" cars, even if they are priced equally. and i'm not speaking about your jealous neighbours but about insurance (astons, ferraris etc aren't even in their databases), maintenance (where's the next dealer?), not to mention trouble with tax authorities if it's a company car... a 911 is as common as a S class, but with e.g. an AM car they could suspect that you are a car nut and trying to finance your hobby thru your business.



    With commonality as Porsche's attribute (not only common on the street but all Porsche models share a high percentage of parts) many present owners will migrate to an more exclusive and high end car. Clearly the AM DB9 is not for everyone but apparently it is very popular. It officially has not been introduced, yet in the US about 3 years of allocations have been sold.

    Will it dent Porsche sales.. very little. Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl. Thus they will continue to buy although the 997 S price point may force them to reconsider.

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    nberry said:Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl.



    Oh, then you mean that it will be Ferrari sales who will be taking a dent due to Porsche's erosion? Oh sorry, I forgot, Boy Racers can't drive a stick so Ferrari will not only have to rely on the poseours to maintain sales ... superficial generalisations ... nick don't even go there, see how silly they are?

    (hope its clear I don't mean what I said above, its sarcasm to try to prove a point)

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    nberry said:With commonality as Porsche's attribute (not only common on the street but all Porsche models share a high percentage of parts) many present owners will migrate to an more exclusive and high end car. Clearly the AM DB9 is not for everyone but apparently it is very popular. It officially has not been introduced, yet in the US about 3 years of allocations have been sold.



    Nick - All AM cars are built on the same modular chassis and use modified Ford motors (the V12 is two Ford Duratec V-6's attached for instance)- why no mention of their commonality?

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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    nberry said:Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl.



    Oh, then you mean that it will be Ferrari sales who will be taking a dent due to Porsche's erosion? Oh sorry, I forgot, Boy Racers can't drive a stick so Ferrari will not only have to rely on the poseours to maintain sales ... superficial generalisations ... nick don't even go there, see how silly they are?

    (hope its clear I don't mean what I said above, its sarcasm to try to prove a point)



    Though unscientific, just about every fairly NEW Porsche's I see are driven by younger individual's often aggressively. Yes this is a generalization but I suspect surveys will back me up. The leasing feature has allowed younger upward mobile people dabble with Porsche as a sport car.

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    Grant said:
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    nberry said:With commonality as Porsche's attribute (not only common on the street but all Porsche models share a high percentage of parts) many present owners will migrate to an more exclusive and high end car. Clearly the AM DB9 is not for everyone but apparently it is very popular. It officially has not been introduced, yet in the US about 3 years of allocations have been sold.



    Nick - All AM cars are built on the same modular chassis and use modified Ford motors (the V12 is two Ford Duratec V-6's attached for instance)- why no mention of their commonality?



    Grant at least you can tell a Ford from Aston Martin. I recognize that there will be part sharing within same manufacturer models but Porsche is on record to sharing of over 60% of parts between Boxster and the 911. So when you pay $40-50,000 more for a 911 over a Boxster, 60% of the 911 is Boxster?

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    nberry said:
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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    nberry said:Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl.



    Oh, then you mean that it will be Ferrari sales who will be taking a dent due to Porsche's erosion? Oh sorry, I forgot, Boy Racers can't drive a stick so Ferrari will not only have to rely on the poseours to maintain sales ... superficial generalisations ... nick don't even go there, see how silly they are?

    (hope its clear I don't mean what I said above, its sarcasm to try to prove a point)



    Though unscientific, just about every fairly NEW Porsche's I see are driven by younger individual's often aggressively. Yes this is a generalization but I suspect surveys will back me up. The leasing feature has allowed younger upward mobile people dabble with Porsche as a sport car.



    In the US market, the most common Porsche 996/997 buyer profile is a 54 yo white male with a income of 498K per year.

    Boxster owners come in as 48 yo white male with income of
    approx 200K per year.

    Thats from PCNA marketing data.

    The oldest 996 buyer I have personally met was a very dapper 82 yo gentlemen who had only owned Porsches since the 1950's and uses it to drive to work everyday.

    Granted in the La Jolla/San Diego/OC/LA areas you may see
    "younger" people than yourself in Porsches, but then again you have the highest density of plastic surgeons anywhere on earth and all of that entertainment and real estate money

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    nberry said:
    Though unscientific, just about every fairly NEW Porsche's I see are driven by younger individual's often aggressively. Yes this is a generalization but I suspect surveys will back me up. The leasing feature has allowed younger upward mobile people dabble with Porsche as a sport car.



    Young and drive aggresively... is that automatically a "boy racer" hmmm... I fit those two criteria, guess I'm a boy racer then , but I don't lease, do I still qualify?
    Now, how would you differentiate those from the "young sportcar enthusiasts" then? these are in their mid-life crisis and drive their sportcars like grandma then?

    So then, I would like to hear your generalisation of the Ferrari drivers you see

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    JimFlat6 said:
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    nberry said:
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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    nberry said:Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl.



    Oh, then you mean that it will be Ferrari sales who will be taking a dent due to Porsche's erosion? Oh sorry, I forgot, Boy Racers can't drive a stick so Ferrari will not only have to rely on the poseours to maintain sales ... superficial generalisations ... nick don't even go there, see how silly they are?

    (hope its clear I don't mean what I said above, its sarcasm to try to prove a point)



    Though unscientific, just about every fairly NEW Porsche's I see are driven by younger individual's often aggressively. Yes this is a generalization but I suspect surveys will back me up. The leasing feature has allowed younger upward mobile people dabble with Porsche as a sport car.



    In the US market, the most common Porsche 996/997 buyer profile is a 54 yo white male with a income of 498K per year.

    Boxster owners come in as 48 yo white male with income of
    approx 200K per year.

    Thats from PCNA marketing data.

    The oldest 996 buyer I have personally met was a very dapper 82 yo gentlemen who had only owned Porsches since the 1950's and uses it to drive to work everyday.

    Granted in the La Jolla/San Diego/OC/LA areas you may see
    "younger" people than yourself in Porsches, but then again you have the highest density of plastic surgeons anywhere on earth and all of that entertainment and real estate money



    Buyer profile according to Porsche marketing is they make an average $498,000? Enough said!

    Carlos, at one time young people lusted for a Porsche(that has changed considerably) and with the recent boon in the economy many saked that thirst by buying one. The poster boy for a buyer of Porsche was James Dean as well as other race drivers. Add in leasing, many buy when they cannot afford and you get mass production of a one time venerated unique special sport car.

    These same people could not buy a Ferrari, Aston Martin, CGT and other limited production cars. Also, even if they could afford to do so, probably could not whereas with Porsche anyone with two nickels can do so. See the difference?

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    nberry said:
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    JimFlat6 said:
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    nberry said:
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    Carlos from Spain said:
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    nberry said:Porsche market is slowly eroding to reasonably affluent Boy Racers. The price is right and many of them believe they are W. Roehl.



    Oh, then you mean that it will be Ferrari sales who will be taking a dent due to Porsche's erosion? Oh sorry, I forgot, Boy Racers can't drive a stick so Ferrari will not only have to rely on the poseours to maintain sales ... superficial generalisations ... nick don't even go there, see how silly they are?

    (hope its clear I don't mean what I said above, its sarcasm to try to prove a point)



    Though unscientific, just about every fairly NEW Porsche's I see are driven by younger individual's often aggressively. Yes this is a generalization but I suspect surveys will back me up. The leasing feature has allowed younger upward mobile people dabble with Porsche as a sport car.



    In the US market, the most common Porsche 996/997 buyer profile is a 54 yo white male with a income of 498K per year.

    Boxster owners come in as 48 yo white male with income of
    approx 200K per year.

    Thats from PCNA marketing data.

    The oldest 996 buyer I have personally met was a very dapper 82 yo gentlemen who had only owned Porsches since the 1950's and uses it to drive to work everyday.

    Granted in the La Jolla/San Diego/OC/LA areas you may see
    "younger" people than yourself in Porsches, but then again you have the highest density of plastic surgeons anywhere on earth and all of that entertainment and real estate money



    Buyer profile according to Porsche marketing is they make an average $498,000? Enough said!

    Carlos, at one time young people lusted for a Porsche(that has changed considerably) and with the recent boon in the economy many saked that thirst by buying one. The poster boy for a buyer of Porsche was James Dean as well as other race drivers. Add in leasing, many buy when they cannot afford and you get mass production of a one time venerated unique special sport car.

    These same people could not buy a Ferrari, Aston Martin, CGT and other limited production cars. Also, even if they could afford to do so, probably could not whereas with Porsche anyone with two nickels can do so. See the difference?



    Good grief Nick, you are totally dated..James Dean? Thats
    so last century. Nobody cares about him but special edition Boxster buyers and they are old guys. Porsches new and used sell on their own merits. Ferraris have become self gifts
    for old guys who have the $$$ and recall watching Jackie Stewart race on ABC's wide world of sports.

    As far as the 21-38 yo market goes, in the US market Ferraris have zero cachet, zero, repeat zero. Why? Its seen
    totally as a old guys car, but Lambos and Vipers aren't.

    Really Nick, Ferraris in the US are kinda like fast Buicks
    for the uber rich country club set. No wonder they have instructions on the steering wheel now.

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    James, James, James; what am I to do with you? Porsche is all about retro. The design of the car is 50's; the look of the car is 50's and its ardent customer base is wedded to the 50's because that is how they remember it when it was special. Every time Porsche tries to update the car, its base screams and Porsche backs off.

    The car is an anachronism.

    However, it has reached a point where car magazines have all commented enough is enough. Porsche move on and devote your engineering expertise to 21st century endeavors.

    Regarding Ferrari, I agree it tends to attract the rich and country club set. But they value uniqueness and buy "specialness" with their hard earned money. At one time Porsche offered that. Today, sadly it offers the past marketing it in modern packaging for a lot of money.

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    nberry said:
    James, James, James; what am I to do with you? Porsche is all about retro. The design of the car is 50's; the look of the car is 50's and its ardent customer base is wedded to the 50's because that is how they remember it when it was special. Every time Porsche tries to update the car, its base screams and Porsche backs off.

    The car is an anachronism.

    However, it has reached a point where car magazines have all commented enough is enough. Porsche move on and devote your engineering expertise to 21st century endeavors.

    Regarding Ferrari, I agree it tends to attract the rich and country club set. But they value uniqueness and buy "specialness" with their hard earned money. At one time Porsche offered that. Today, sadly it offers the past marketing it in modern packaging for a lot of money.



    Nick, those young people buying 911's dont know they came out in the sixties, so to them its new, wonderful and current.

    Who says that country club people are spending "hard earned money??" ferrari 360's were popular gifts inside Enron

    Porsches do offer "specialness" you just have to live in an area with fewer "special" people who can afford them, like
    Nebraska or Tashkent.

    The 911 is a anachronism, but its a fast well built one!

     
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