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    Will the 458 do the Ring under

     7.40? If the Scud did it in 7.38 and allegedly the 458 has similar if not better performance parameters, it would appear it will equal if not improve upon the Scud's time.

    If it fails to meet that benchmark, then the car has some real performance issues. 


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    nberry:

     7.40? If the Scud did it in 7.38 and allegedly the 458 has similar if not better performance parameters, it would appear it will equal if not improve upon the Scud's time.

    If it fails to meet that benchmark, then the car has some real performance issues. 


    Nick,

    I expect actually below 7.38min time with new Corsa Evoluzione tires.

     

    Do not forget that 1.25 on Fiorano is with standard Michelins. As soon as P Zero The Hero becomes available in 458 size around 1s better time is expected. And when Corsa Evoluzione becomes available in 458 size additional 1.5s faster time on Fiorano is possible.


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    I would also argue that a SportAuto time of less than 7.38 is more than likely Smiley 


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     If SportAuto is unable to do less than 7.40, will you reconsider your order?


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    nberry:

     If SportAuto is unable to do less than 7.40, will you reconsider your order?


    For sure NO.

     

    BUT....Smiley 458 Italia WILL BE faster then 7.38min in HvS hands. Smiley

     


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    KresoF1:
    nberry:

     If SportAuto is unable to do less than 7.40, will you reconsider your order?


    For sure NO.

     

    BUT....Smiley 458 Italia WILL BE faster then 7.38min in HvS hands. Smiley

     

     WE HOPE!!!!!


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    nberry:

     If SportAuto is unable to do less than 7.40, will you reconsider your order?

     

    In my case I need a car which is fast on track days Smiley Therefore, the lap times are quite key for me Smiley


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    The Scuderia did 7.39 not 7.38 on the Ring according to the SA's Supertest if I remember correctly.


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    Arguing about 1-2 sec difference makes virtually NO sense for this track.

    You would have to drive 10 458's with 10 drivers at the same time for 20 laps straight at least to be able to argue there actually is 1-2 sec difference and to exactly know its true lap time.

    All these lap times are highly unscientific, when we talk about such a small time margin.


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    janus:

    Arguing about 1-2 sec difference makes virtually NO sense for this track.

    You would have to drive 10 458's with 10 drivers at the same time for 20 laps straight at least to be able to argue there actually is 1-2 sec difference and to exactly know its true lap time.

    All these lap times are highly unscientific, when we talk about such a small time margin.

    Exactly . Internet N-ring bench racing is getting out of control . Everyone brags about their favorite car's time ( and manufacturers heed it or worry it may effect sales 'cause they are slower than Brand X ) , then turn around on the next thread and gripe about how each newer  car, while more technically advanced , is further  sanitized of " fun".

     

    The day is not far away when you can program in a track, where there are location transponders installed  , and you strap in , set it in " autodrive " , push the button and drink your coffee and send your text messages while the car goes around as fast as robotically possible. Heck, just have  a track tecnician t strap on a video cam  , and enjoy " racing  " your car in the safest way possible from your computer screen while at work, as you command tweaks  to the tranny,susp , ECU set ups . Life will soon enough imitate Play Station .

     

    Smiley

     

     


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     I would also expect below 7.38, maybe 2s faster. Anyhow if Kreso says it, I will not wager against him

    Seriously, the 458 is THE car to own right now. Design and technology makes other cars obsolete. Ferrari has done it again. I expect waiting lists in the US to exceed two years.

    Haven't you heard? The crisis is over 


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    MKW:
    janus:

    Arguing about 1-2 sec difference makes virtually NO sense for this track.

    You would have to drive 10 458's with 10 drivers at the same time for 20 laps straight at least to be able to argue there actually is 1-2 sec difference and to exactly know its true lap time.

    All these lap times are highly unscientific, when we talk about such a small time margin.

     

     

    The day is not far away when you can program in a track, where there are location transponders installed  , and you strap in , set it in " autodrive " , push the button and drink your coffee and send your text messages while the car goes around as fast as robotically possible. Heck, just have  a track tecnician t strap on a video cam  , and enjoy " racing  " your car in the safest way possible from your computer screen while at work, as you command tweaks  to the tranny,susp , ECU set ups . Life will soon enough imitate Play Station .

     

    Smiley

     

     

     Sounds like my kind of car.Smiley


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    nberry:

     

     Sounds like my kind of car.Smiley

    Nick , just for you, Ferrari will even program "auto drive" to your beloved Starbucks   !

     

    Smiley


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    MKW:
    nberry:

     

     Sounds like my kind of car.Smiley

    Nick , just for you, Ferrari will even program "auto drive" to your beloved Starbucks   !

     

    Smiley


    But this comes as an extra for the navigation module. Price: 4.500 USD. Smiley
     


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    SciFrog:

     I would also expect below 7.38, maybe 2s faster. Anyhow if Kreso says it, I will not wager against him

    Seriously, the 458 is THE car to own right now. Design and technology makes other cars obsolete. Ferrari has done it again. I expect waiting lists in the US to exceed two years.

    Haven't you heard? The crisis is over 


    SmileySmileySmiley
     


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    MKSGR: 

    In my case I need a car which is fast on track days Smiley 


    Sure, Markus - but the question is for how many laps ? SmileySmileySmiley


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    The Ring is irrelevant, way too long and bumpy to have a meaningful comparisson of performance. Normal tracks show the real potential of cars as driver errors can be minimised and results can be replicated lap after lap.


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    REALZEUS:

    The Ring is irrelevant, way too long and bumpy to have a meaningful comparisson of performance. Normal tracks show the real potential of cars as driver errors can be minimised and results can be replicated lap after lap.

    The relevance of NBR is that it resembles (or rather it is) a fast real world route. And top production cars are made to shine on such routes with all the irregularities and flaws. Proper tracks with special surfaces and artificial curves are the irrelevance in my way of thinking.

    Perhaps you say this because Ferraris as a rule under-perform on the NBR.


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    The optimum is to find a setup for a car that provides for excellent NBR lap times AND excellent standard track times (like HHR, Silverstone etc.).

    While this is a bit hard to achieve it is still possible - see Porsche's GT3 and GT2, for example Smiley

    The current Scuderia is surely faster on standard tracks than on the NBR. Not just based on Supertest results... This car is really capable on flat, tight tracks Smiley Let's see how the 458 handles in comparison (I don't think we can expect any acceptable lap times for the 458 on the standard tires; Ferrari - hopefully - will offer adequate tires early next year, when the first customer cars will be delivered).


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    I can see where you are coming from Reginos, even though I disagree as by definition supersport cars need supersmooth surfaces for their finely tuned systems to come together. These are extreme sports cars, not daily runabouts after all. Even if we aceept your point of view though, the fact that driver inconsistency is a problem in the Ring persists.


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    MKSGR:

     

    The optimum is to find a setup for a car that provides for excellent NBR lap times AND excellent standard track times (like HHR, Silverstone etc.).

    While this is a bit hard to achieve it is still possible - see Porsche's GT3 and GT2, for example Smiley


     

    Right Smiley The only difference for a perfect set-up is the ground clearance (NoS needs a bit more clearance unless you consistently drive the caroussel on the outer line Smiley).

    And don't forget reliability Smiley During a three day course on NoS early August we had a F430 driver in our group - he brought an M3 as his T-car.....for some good reason as we found out soon Smiley

    The armada of GT-Porsches suffered no single tech problem after 1,000 km (!) in two days in the Green Hell - awesome Smiley


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    You are absolutely right - the reliability of Porsche's GT models is really amazing Smiley

    BTW, my impression is that the Scuderia is also quite sturdy and reliable. While the visible build quality is only average (or even worse...) the Italians seem to have found a way to create a very robust structure anyhow...


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    reginos:

    The relevance of NBR is that it resembles (or rather it is) a fast real world route. And top production cars are made to shine on such routes with all the irregularities and flaws. Proper tracks with special surfaces and artificial curves are the irrelevance in my way of thinking.

    Perhaps you say this because Ferraris as a rule under-perform on the NBR.

     

    And in your part  of  the " fast real world " , police have cleared all traffic and pedestrians  so you can drive 10/10ths in your Ring optimized sports car !  What a great country you live in !!

    It  sucks for us living in the US .

    Smiley

     


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    MKW:
    reginos:

    The relevance of NBR is that it resembles (or rather it is) a fast real world route. And top production cars are made to shine on such routes with all the irregularities and flaws. Proper tracks with special surfaces and artificial curves are the irrelevance in my way of thinking.

    Perhaps you say this because Ferraris as a rule under-perform on the NBR.

     

    And in your part  of  the " fast real world " , police have cleared all traffic and pedestrians  so you can drive 10/10ths in your Ring optimized sports car !  What a great country you live in !!

    It  sucks for us living in the US .

    Smiley

     

    Police usually focus on areas where "normal cars and drivers" drive fast breaking the speed limit, like highways, cities, major secondary roads and very well so for the protection of others. There are still "police free routes" where the enthusiast can enjoy his car, where the relative absence of traffic also makes it safer.

    I'm sure that in CA there must be plenty of routes like that.


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    there are


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    reginos:

    I'm sure that in CA there must be plenty of routes like that.

     Not really, those winding " fantastic " driving roads  here in California that auto magazine writers review cars on are the first places tourists in their rental cars or giant campers head . And for many of them , they will savor the " once in a lifetime " experience ,i.e., puttering along in caravans at 25 mph . 

    Being a life long Californian, there are still  challenging ,scenic  empty driving roads I have spent decades  discovering   , but many are far  from the coast where all the tourists go and where the majority of our 37 million road -clogging  residents live but require one to endure  driving through many hours of our flat straight farmlands to get there .

     


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    MKW:
    reginos:

    I'm sure that in CA there must be plenty of routes like that.

     Not really, those winding " fantastic " driving roads  here in California that auto magazine writers review cars on are the first places tourists in their rental cars or giant campers head . And for many of them , they will savor the " once in a lifetime " experience ,i.e., puttering along in caravans at 25 mph . 

    Being a life long Californian, there are still  challenging ,scenic  empty driving roads I have spent decades  discovering   , but many are far  from the coast where all the tourists go and where the majority of our 37 million road -clogging  residents live but require one to endure  driving through many hours of our flat straight farmlands to get there .

     

    I've visited CA three times since 2001 and each time I wished I had a chance to drive my Porsche there, whatever the limitations that you mention.

    You guys are so lucky Smiley


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    I still manage to find plenty of open roads and I live on the SF penninsula. Skyline Blvd and 84 La Honda are two of my favorites, and while they can be congested at times, they are mostly free of traffic. You just have to go at the right times...


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    trip:

    I still manage to find plenty of open roads and I live on the SF penninsula. Skyline Blvd and 84 La Honda are two of my favorites, and while they can be congested at times, they are mostly free of traffic. You just have to go at the right times...

    Those roads you reference are just up the hill from where I live and I've driven them for more than 30 years ( and only fun mid week since they are in an urban area ) but they are done  in 20 -30 minutes each way  , whereas  the Gold Country and Central Sierra roads close to where I grew up go on for hours !

    Smiley


     
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