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    Re: 991.2 R?

    Too bad it seems to be another limited edition, only for those on the list.  I was hoping just a GT3 touring package sans wing w/ general production availability.  The whole limited number, fighting for allocations, "market adjustment" nonsense has gotten very tiresome. 


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: 991.2 R?

    It is more than tiresome. It is treating customers in a very despicable way. I am fine with limited edition if they are constrained by production volume. What Porsche is doing is plain extortion and playing favorites games.


    Re: 991.2 R?

    So is this the Touring package and thus a wingless real GT3 or is this the '' sport classic '' or '' 911 T '' that would have a Carrera GTS engine with a GT3 drive train and bumpers ?


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: 991.2 R?

    039 Touring package more likely than a Sport Classic (remember Preuninger's interview where he did not exclude the wingless GT3..) 


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     


    Re: 991.2 R?

    KresoF1:

     

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     

    With Carrera turbo engine ?


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Kreso ,

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    again new limited edition ? This is becoming ridiculous .... the cow is milked to the last extend !!

    I m still not fan of a GT3 without wing. And the stability willl ne also marginal ....

    but if buyers will buy this at 300+, happy them !!!!


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    997 Carrera S Triple Black Sold now ... Good car 997 GT3 triple black wow what a car !!!


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Gnil:
    KresoF1:

     

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     

    With Carrera turbo engine ?

    No. With 991.2 GT3 engine. Most likely manual only once again.


    Re: 991.2 R?

    KresoF1:
    Gnil:
    KresoF1:

     

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     

    With Carrera turbo engine ?

    No. With 991.2 GT3 engine. Most likely manual only once again.

    Then I don't understand this car . It' s nearly an R but it is not because it does not have the light carbon bits + rear diffusor and that is all for a difference Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: 991.2 R?

    And how will the special edition of 991.2 turbo S be specified? A lot of different cars out there right now....cheekyyes

    Confusing, but since I'm just in for the two RS coming it doesn't bother me that much. But if I had bought a R....mail

    To me, it looks like M.Müller is using P to pay off the diesel finesheart


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Less is more


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Gnil:
    KresoF1:

     

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     

    With Carrera turbo engine ?

    The exhaust location tells that story...


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    Re: 991.2 R?

    KresoF1:
    Gnil:
    KresoF1:

     

    Btw, this is not 039 Touring pack but, rather new LE model.

     

    With Carrera turbo engine ?

    No. With 991.2 GT3 engine. Most likely manual only once again.

    Sport Classic?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Less is more for a higher price tag. Typical Porsche


    Re: 991.2 R?

    true but i would like one......


    Re: 991.2 R?

    SciFrog:

    Less is more for a higher price tag. Typical Porsche

    I know someone who would pay more for a GT3 with less roof indecision


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: 991.2 R?

    bluelines:
    SciFrog:

    Less is more for a higher price tag. Typical Porsche

    I know someone who would pay more for a GT3 with less roof indecision

    And a backseat....Smiley


    Re: 991.2 R?

    I would have def ordered my GT3 with back seats if I could.....


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    Tesla Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2014 991 TTS Cab & 2014 BMW X5 & Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2017 Porsche Mission E on order


    Re: 991.2 R?

    I still think this is a GT3 with that infamous touring package...

    Not aware of a 991.2 R but not excluded either since there are contradictory reports to as if the touring package is going to be available or not.

    Sport Classic? No.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Would be great if it had rear seats!!!


    Re: 991.2 R?

    RC:

    I still think this is a GT3 with that infamous touring package...

    Not aware of a 991.2 R but not excluded either since there are contradictory reports to as if the touring package is going to be available or not.

    Sport Classic? No.

    Christian doesn't a test car in this advanced state suggest that the car will be produced? There was also a photo of a similar car in California among a group of Porsche owned 991.2 GT3s. Also seems most logical to be the touring package rather than a limited edition variant.


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: 991.2 R?

    DaveC:
    RC:

    I still think this is a GT3 with that infamous touring package...

    Not aware of a 991.2 R but not excluded either since there are contradictory reports to as if the touring package is going to be available or not.

    Sport Classic? No.

    Christian doesn't a test car in this advanced state suggest that the car will be produced? There was also a photo of a similar car in California among a group of Porsche owned 991.2 GT3s. Also seems most logical to be the touring package rather than a limited edition variant.

    I get a lot of mixed signals regarding that infamous touring package lately. There is clearly strong customer demand for such a package but... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: 991.2 R?

    The demand is huge. Just look at this group of so called hard core sport car lover, half said they would add the rear seats and/or remove the wing. You can only imagine what the rest of the population would do. Heck just because of potential much lower depreciation than a "regular" 991, people would opt for the GT3 even if it is wrong for them. People are very very smart when it comes to the wallet. The GT3 is becoming easier to use daily as every generation goes.

    But for Porsche to deliver it, it can only mean one thing: massive production numbers planned along with significant price increases in the future for that model. They did it with the RS, looks like they might do it again.


    Re: 991.2 R?

    RC:
    DaveC:
    RC:

    I still think this is a GT3 with that infamous touring package...

    Not aware of a 991.2 R but not excluded either since there are contradictory reports to as if the touring package is going to be available or not.

    Sport Classic? No.

    Christian doesn't a test car in this advanced state suggest that the car will be produced? There was also a photo of a similar car in California among a group of Porsche owned 991.2 GT3s. Also seems most logical to be the touring package rather than a limited edition variant.

    I get a lot of mixed signals regarding that infamous touring package lately. There is clearly strong customer demand for such a package but... Smiley

    I guess marketing has to determine if this car will take away sales from other Carrera variants.


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: 991.2 R?

    They already have the asnwser: of course it will. They are trying to find ways to mitigate it though. One way for example is NOT to offer rear seats AND wing delete. Only one or the other. Of course they won't offer a convertible either, which protects a lot of regular 991 sales especially after the initial batch of sales of coupe before the convertible becomes available (that's only when the convertible comes after the coupe).


    Re: 991.2 R?

    SciFrog:

    The demand is huge. Just look at this group of so called hard core sport car lover, half said they would add the rear seats and/or remove the wing. You can only imagine what the rest of the population would do. Heck just because of potential much lower depreciation than a "regular" 991, people would opt for the GT3 even if it is wrong for them. People are very very smart when it comes to the wallet. The GT3 is becoming easier to use daily as every generation goes.

    I think you are completely off with your "huge demand". 

    How do you think the depreciation of the GT3 will be affected when Porsche builds 20'000 of them with rear seats per year? Smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Your are missing the point. People are looking at depreciation on previous models. They cannot predict depreciation on the new model since no one knows how many they will build.

    Stories like: Ii almost didn't loose money on my last GT3 go a long way.


    Re: 991.2 R?

    Sounds like a watertight plan. It will hold for one model 


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


     
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