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    Sportauto Supertest 991S

    The facts:

    Weight: 1.497 kg
    Power to weight ratio: 3,7 kg/hp

    Nürburgring: 7.44 min (997 GT3: 7.40, 997S: 7.50)
    Hockenheim: 1.10,4 min (same as 997 GT3, 997S: 1.13,4)

    36m-slalom: 139 kph (same as 997S, 997 GT3: 143 kph)
    110m-Ausweichtest (how do you say that in English?): 156 kph (997 GT3: 160 kph, 997S: 152 kph)

    0-100 kph: 4,2 sec
    0-200 kph: 14,1 sec

    Vmax: 302 kph (not sure if tested)

    Braking:
    33,8 m (11,4m/s²) cold from 100 kph
    33,5 m (11,5m/s²) warm from 100 kph
    131,6 m (11,7m/s²) warm from 200 kph

    Consumption:
    min: 11,0 l/100 km
    max: 22,0 l/100 km
    average: 16,5 l/100 km

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    BTW, car was equipped with PCCB, PDK, PASM, -20mm and many more, resulting in an end price of 145k. Smiley


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    I hate the Pirelli P Zero on my Carrera GTS Cab. I don't know if the 991 got a new N version of the P Zero but they need temperature to get sticky and they suck on wet pavement, especially when cold. I prefer the Michelin Pilot Sport.

    The track time(s) are very good but not spectacular. Just the Hockenheim time is maybe spectacular, 3 seconds is a huge difference. 6 seconds less on the Nordschleife isn't bad at all but considering the slightly lower weight, the additional power and the new chassis, it is OK but not more. The GT3 is still 4 seconds faster.

    The 0-100 and 0-200 kph acceleration times aren't as good as expected but OK.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Amazing hockenheim time, that says a lot about handling in particular. Then again it was a -20mm with PDCC, PCCB, etc and not really a std car.
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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    3 secs difference around Hockenheim is very impressive. Having said that it wants to be when you look at the price hike between the 997.s and the 991s. Typical 991s in the UK will cost around £90,000 with options.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Rossi:

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    If I remember well the 997.2 was tested with Sport tyres (Cup?) so the 7.50 should have been something like 7.57 with normal tyres. What tyres did the 991 wear on the NBR?

    Also on what tyres was the wet testing of the 997.2 done. Normal tyres or Cup?


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    reginos:
    Rossi:

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    If I remember well the 997.2 was tested with Sport tyres (Cup?) so the 7.50 should have been something like 7.57 with normal tyres. What tyres did the 991 wear on the NBR?

    Also on what tyres was the wet testing of the 997.2 done. Normal tyres or Cup?


    I don't have the 997S Supertest at hand, but according to the current Supertest the 997S was equipped with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.

    Sportauto calls the P Zero "sport tyres in disguise" and not suitable for colder conditions.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Oh, I forgot about the Cup tires...so indeed, the Nordschleife test time is impressive too.

    Yes, the P Zero is pretty good under very warm and dry conditions but you don't get that very often in Germany. 


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Guys,

    Test results in Sport Auto are impressive. Period. 991S equiped with PDCC/-20mm is almost as fast as 458 Italia. More then enough for me.

    Also, very good test in todays AMS.


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    reginos:
    Rossi:

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    If I remember well the 997.2 was tested with Sport tyres (Cup?) so the 7.50 should have been something like 7.57 with normal tyres. What tyres did the 991 wear on the NBR?

    Also on what tyres was the wet testing of the 997.2 done. Normal tyres or Cup?

    Yes, that 7:50 time came from an Cup tires equipped Carrera S. With normal tires, the estimated lap time was 7:57-7:58.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    If the weather permits, I get to drive a 991 Carrera S early December but I'm afraid the car will be equipped with winter tires.

    Can't wait... 


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    RC:

    If the weather permits, I get to drive a 991 Carrera S early December but I'm afraid the car will be equipped with winter tires.

    Can't wait... 

     Maybe there will be snow and you can report on the ability of the LSD and PTV in the white stuffSmiley


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Rossi:

     

    Nürburgring: 7.44 min (997 GT3: 7.40, 997S: 7.50)
    Hockenheim: 1.10,4 min (same as 997 GT3, 997S: 1.13,4)

    0-200 kph: 14,1 sec


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    These are amazing results - in particular as they are achieved with the Zero tires Smiley Thanks for posting them so soon SmileySmiley


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    Yes, very good results, even if it does not match the rumored 7:40 .

    So the car must be now much faster in the small turns. I guess more neutral and more agile


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    I am looking forward to my test drive in February, but  given the winter weather will probably have to wait till late March - early April to really experience the performance enhancements on the 991. Hopefully, Porsche will be offering Pilot Sports on the cars vs. P Zeros by that time.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Rossi:

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    I've checked the 997.2 test and the very good wet handling time was done on Pilot Sport Cup "N0".

    I cannot imagine that the 991 chassis is inherently worse in the wet compared to the older car.

    The difference must be due to either the tyres (P zero worse than ther more focussed Cups in the wet!!!) or the track temperatures during the 2 tests. The 997.2 test was published in 08/2008 so the test must have been done at the beginning of summer compared to autumn for the 991 test. Perhaps, our German friends can give us more insight into local temperatures and any possible difference that could attributed to those.


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Anybody have a list of SportAuto Hockenheim and recent NRing lap times for other cars in similar times?


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    SportAuto themselves (all recently tested cars on 8 pages)... 

     


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    (Hockenheim)

    0,4s "slower" then a 2011 GTR, and 0,1s "faster" then a "458"... isn`t this (991 S) a (very) fast car 


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Ferdie:

    SportAuto themselves (all recently tested cars on 8 pages)... 

     

    Thanks! Smiley


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    reginos:
    Rossi:

    But...
    Wet handling (Pirelli P Z Zero) was only 1.46,1, some 16 sec worse than the 997, which may explain some of the good ring times.

    I've checked the 997.2 test and the very good wet handling time was done on Pilot Sport Cup "N0".

    I cannot imagine that the 991 chassis is inherently worse in the wet compared to the older car.

    The difference must be due to either the tyres (P zero worse than ther more focussed Cups in the wet!!!) or the track temperatures during the 2 tests. The 997.2 test was published in 08/2008 so the test must have been done at the beginning of summer compared to autumn for the 991 test. Perhaps, our German friends can give us more insight into local temperatures and any possible difference that could attributed to those.


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    Hi Reginos,

    Wow..finally someone who is trying to analyse the situation a bitSmiley

    So the temperatures: difficult to say - depends on which day this was done..but 2 weeks ago in germany we still had about 15 or more degrees.

    Besides, this wet time is even worse than the GT2RS time..thats incredible..just one hint: there has been a rumour already in another forum weeks ago - seemed to be coming from an insider - that the 991S Pirelli tires were especially designed by Porsche in such a way to get the maximun out on dry surface - but would loose out seriously in the wet..you know....pressure from the media etc..to get lower NBR times etc... For me - this unacceptable wet time seems to prove that. Interesting would be if the same tires would be on that 997.2.MKII PDK...I bet you it would run 2-3 secs even faster in the dry..only to loose more in the wet.

    The 8 secs difference between the 997.2 (being better 8secs) and the 991 could not be explained by temperture difference of lets say max 10. These facts dont lie..it must be the tires..

    Yes, in dry mode its very fast..but with these tyres probably the 458 would trash the 991 too..

    Does the sport Auto result affect my decision of potentially buying a 991? Simple answer: NO - However, I am disappointed by a few things..Porsches "pumping up"..is not the traditional "Bodenständigkeit" anymore - there was a time when Porsche always was very conservative on perf. levels/numbers..it seems they have now changed to the camp of Nissan and Ferrari..where there is lot of talking but little facts. 7:44 is a great time..but ist 4 secs. of the GT3 - so not on GT3 level - I havent put these numbers in the world - it was Porsche..so blame it on them and not me.

    Nonetheless, in a good metallic colour the 991 looks still good..Smiley..


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    GTlover:
    Yes, in dry mode its very fast..but with these tyres probably the 458 would trash the 991 too..

     

    Sorry, but statements like this are 100% BS.

    Just changing tires does not make a big difference if the chassis is not tuned in appropriately. Also, anybody who knows the Zero tires knows these are no semi slicks. Just look at the thread pattern. Also, the tires have very acceptable acquaplaning capabilities.


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    The issue might be the new electric steering.

    The instant feed back to place the car quickly and accurately might not be as good as on the 991, so the tires although more advanced, but in combination with the new steering, replicate the "Corvette Effect" where yes you have do have adhesion, but you cant feel it change instantly or in the first few mm of steering turn in.

     


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    MKSGR:
    GTlover:
    Yes, in dry mode its very fast..but with these tyres probably the 458 would trash the 991 too..

     

    Sorry, but statements like this are 100% BS.

    Just changing tires does not make a big difference if the chassis is not tuned in appropriately. Also, anybody who knows the Zero tires knows these are no semi slicks. Just look at the thread pattern. Also, the tires have very acceptable acquaplaning capabilities.

    exactly -the zero tyres are NOT semi slicks - where in my words have I said the Zeros were semi slick?

    Regarding your other sentence I do not agree..but thats more a question for a Smiley..and thats a general subject that has nothing to do with the 991.

    Hint: In Porsche Super Cup -or any other GT3 race car - except RSR - there are very limited  - if 0 possibilties to change the chassis/suspension during a race with changing weather conditions..


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    Amazing times for the tires, and wow that Hockenheim time!


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    Marius is back?

    Awesome performance Smiley


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    Enzo II:

    Marius is back?

    Awesome performance Smiley

    Smiley Maybe it`s a "close" friend...

    A Rennteam Moderator already said that it isn`t the same... we hope not...


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    While I think the times for the 991 are obviously impressive, GTlover does raise an interesting question. What can account for such poor wet performance?


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    trip:

    While I think the times for the 991 are obviously impressive, GTlover does raise an interesting question. What can account for such poor wet performance?

    I agree. The wet time is Smiley . How come was it that bad ? It am very interested to find out. Was it exterior conditions or something witht he car ?


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    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Gnil:
    trip:

    While I think the times for the 991 are obviously impressive, GTlover does raise an interesting question. What can account for such poor wet performance?

    I agree. The wet time is Smiley . How come was it that bad ? It am very interested to find out. Was it exterior conditions or something witht he car ?

    First, I dont know how Marius is / was or whatever he/she did on Rennteam or not - its nice to be blamed for something of which I have nothing to do with..usually in other forums people welcome you..this also what I do when I meet new people..but there seem to be very special rules here..

    Back to subject of the tires: well, if you look at the latest sport auto tests also for the 997 series - you could see than from around 2007/2008 the wet times have considerably been "increasing"--thus becoming slower.

    The 997 GT3 did a 1:29 in the wet..the 997 GT3RS MKII did already 1:36..the 997 GT2 RS is again 2 sec slower. !..The record as far as I remember is being held by a 997.1 GT3 of 1:27..

    So to answer again the question:From these facts/numbers its obvious where the reason is - its not the car - different cars have considerably being becoming slower in the wet..its the tires which are developped to get better dry times on the NBR .whereas the loss on the wet times is just a "little side effect"..I know somebody  working in the tire industry in Germany and he tells me that manufacturers expect each time a drop of 2-3 seconds on ring times..they tell them that this goes hand in hand with a loss on wet performance..but they are so "greedy" on the dry times...marketing etc..

    Its just my idea - but again - looking at the numbers there is a clear trend. As much as I am fan of the 997 GT cars..whats the point of having an RS GT3 being 7 seconds faster in the dry only to be again 6 sec. slower on the wet. By the way, as a regular Porsche Sports Cup attender, I can tell you that in the wet a GT2RS cannot drive away from a normal 997 GT3MKII..despite the 200hp more..anybody who is also competing in there would be able to confirm..or ask the winner of the 2011 Sports Cup series-who drives a GT2RS..of course in the dry its a different story..thats why he won the championship after 10 races..Smiley


    Re: Sportauto Supertest 991S

    Ferdie:

    SportAuto themselves (all recently tested cars on 8 pages)... 

     

    Thank you for the link. It is very informative with all the previous tests.


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