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    Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    Just FYI.

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    $36k price jump from Cayenne Turbo to turbo S?????


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    Why is US pricing so much cheaper than the rest of the world....  isn't that dumping?

     


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    It has to do with sales volume and general price competition. The EUR being overvalued by 15-20% helps too.


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    Euro pricing includes sales tax at around 20%


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    sfo:

    Euro pricing includes sales tax at around 20%

    True. Also...isn't or wasn't there a gas guzzler and/or luxury tax in the US? Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    RC:
    sfo:

    Euro pricing includes sales tax at around 20%

    True. Also...isn't or wasn't there a gas guzzler and/or luxury tax in the US? Smiley

    Luxury tax no. Gas guzzler yes but it is small and new cars are quite fuel efficient so might not even by hit by it...


    Re: Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    The price list actually shows pretty well how expensive the 911 has become.

    The Boxster starts at 50k, so the 911 should start at 70k in my opinion.

    The Cayenne has actually a very attractive pricing, it just goes nuts with the Turbo models.

    The Panamera has an insanely high pricing, the Panamera should start at 60k, not at almost 80k. Ouch.

    I have to admit that I don't really get Porsche's pricing...especially regarding the 911 (and they wonder that the Cayenne and Panamera are the best selling Porsche models).


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    My first instinct is the same as yours RC. However put this in perspective: in 2003 I paid $90k for a somewhat high specced brand new 996 Carrera 4 convertible. That was 10 years ago...

     

    What does not make sense however:

    - cayman priced above boxster

    - gap from "s" models to turbo models

    - gap from turbo to turbo S models

    - panamera priced above cayenne

    - $32k from the base carrera to the Carrera 4 S convertible, really?


    Re: Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    SciFrog:

    What does not make sense however:

    - cayman priced above boxster

    Oh boy, this is actually the biggest problem German dealers seem to have with the Cayman.

    - gap from "s" models to turbo models

    I agree...huge.

    - gap from turbo to turbo S models

    Same thing, unless Porsche would offer way more than "just" software based 40 hp, a few logos here and there and PCCB.

    - panamera priced above cayenne

    Quite interesting, isn't it? 

    - $32k from the base carrera to the Carrera 4 S convertible, really?

    True but I would put the entry price of the 911 around 70k, of course only with basic options like A/C.

    So far, the GT3 seems to be the best offer in the 911 model line. If Porsche would offer a version without rear wing and with back seats, this car would probably outsell the Carrera and Carrera S Coupe.


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    Prices are 14% higher in Canada, next door to USA,  for the exact same cars. Our Boxsters starts at $57,500 al the way up to the Turbo S at 206,600. Plus like 15% tax on top of that. Even the options are priced higher than the US.

    Really wish Porsche would raise prices in the USA, and cut their allocation so we and the rest of the world can have more cars. Tons of cars sitting on US dealers lots getting discounted as they are barred from exporting cars to Canada  while we wait 6 months just for a basic Carrera 2. 


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    SciFrog:

    $36k price jump from Cayenne Turbo to turbo S?????

    Cayenne Turbo S is the same kind of money  as a Cayenne S plus a base 911 Smiley


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    There's also way too many model variants......

    Cayenne Turbo S is 3x the price of a base Cayenne and so much of the car must be same/similar cost. It shows the sheer profit margin on the higher models.......


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    RC:

    So far, the GT3 seems to be the best offer in the 911 model line. If Porsche would offer a version without rear wing and with back seats, this car would probably outsell the Carrera and Carrera S Coupe.--

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

    Agree - and I would add Manual gearbox to the list too (sorry, couldn't resist Smiley)


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    Cab versions of the 911s cost USD$12 k MORE than the coupe versions  which handle better, blah, blah , blah .
     
    Cab versions of the Caymans costs USD$2 k LESS than the versions which handles better, blah ,blah,blah. 
     
    On Cayman discussion boards , some owners seem smugly pleased about the " more exclusive " low sales volumes resulting from this reversed pricing structure , where surely many potential  Cayman buyers , after comparing coupe vs cab pricing on the 911s and pricing of coupe vs cab of every manufacturer , just scratch their heads .

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    The problem is that if they priced the Cayman where they could and should price it i.e. lower than a Boxster, then they'd sell a lot fewer 911s............


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    Guy:

    The problem is that if they priced the Cayman where they could and should price it i.e. lower than a Boxster, then they'd sell a lot fewer 911s............

    Why?  The 981 Boxster/Cayman is already MUCH cheaper than the 991 - I don't think it would make any significant difference to the sales numbers to the 991 (but they might add some 981 customers that wouldn't have bought either model and it might rob some Boxster customers to the Cayman).


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    Grant:
    Guy:

    The problem is that if they priced the Cayman where they could and should price it i.e. lower than a Boxster, then they'd sell a lot fewer 911s............

    Why?  The 981 Boxster/Cayman is already MUCH cheaper than the 991 - I don't think it would make any significant difference to the sales numbers to the 991 (but they might add some 981 customers that wouldn't have bought either model and it might rob some Boxster customers to the Cayman).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

    Agreed. The problem is that if you have the option to decide between a Coupe (Cayman) and a Roadster (Boxster) and the Roadster is actually much cheaper, customers choose the Roadster. That simple...according to my dealer. I actually can follow this logic pretty well.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    550 Spyder:

    Why is US pricing so much cheaper than the rest of the world....  isn't that dumping?

     

    Dumping is when you underprice to compete unfairly against local producers. Now, who might those be? I suppose the Corvette and Viper may be seen as competitors to Porsche's products in some sense, if you stretch the comparison enough Smiley

    I'd like to see GM bring a lawsuit against Porsche for dumping and competing unfairly against the Vette... 

     


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    Porsche set a lower price for the US market a long time ago when the US$ was strong, that makes up for the lower pricing. But then the US$ tanked and Porsche is stuck. If they raise the pricing to match the rest of the world, it will price itself out of the market, hell, they can't even raise it the bare minimum to the Canadian level without killing itself as the Americans simply cannot afford to buy Porsche for what they are really worth to the rest of the world. 

    The disparity actually better now than 7 years ago. Back then when I bought my 997 Turbo the difference was 40%, now the difference is only 14% as Porsche actually did a price cut back in 08 to make our prices more inline with the US price. 


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    I bet MCL has a waitlist of virtually every model hey. I never understood the price differences... Maybe we should import US spec cars and convert. Some years recently I sold so many cars privately, it almost makes sense to get a dealer license haha. (Also actually I might be required to) Anyways, I only sold two cars this year so far.

    As for the pricing list, to me by far the best deal is the base Boxster. So much car for the cash.


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    Atzporsche:

    As for the pricing list, to me by far the best deal is the base Boxster. So much car for the cash.

    Yes. My wife will very likely get a base Boxster with PDK and some minor options as her next car. It is more than enough for her and it is cheaper than her current X3 35d. Only downside: When she drives my Cayenne GTS, I need to drive the Boxster. Since this is the base Boxster...but still...fast enough for the city and a lot of fun when the sun comes out (once a week in Germany... Smiley).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    Nobody seems bothered by Porsche's gouging with their "options". For instance, a base Cayenne's price can jump from $50k to over $90k if one selects a well equipped model. Crazy, IMO.

     


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    mp:

    Nobody seems bothered by Porsche's gouging with their "options". For instance, a base Cayenne's price can jump from $50k to over $90k if one selects a well equipped model. Crazy, IMO.


    Crazy in deed. But isn't that the case for nearly every car manufacturer, at least  for those in the luxury segment? Smiley


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    Rossi:
    mp:

    Nobody seems bothered by Porsche's gouging with their "options". For instance, a base Cayenne's price can jump from $50k to over $90k if one selects a well equipped model. Crazy, IMO.


    Crazy in deed. But isn't that the case for nearly every car manufacturer, at least  for those in the luxury segment? Smiley

    I'm afraid so. Smiley Another problem: Used car buyers of these cars want to have all the goodies in the car when they buy it, especially leather on a Cab for example but you usually don't get your (option) "investment" back when you sell the car. A car which was 90k new, you sell for let's say for 55k and a car which was 65k new, you get 45k for. Ouch. 

    My former Carrera GTS Cab hat a new price tag of 138k EUR. Dealer sold it with only 5k km (one year old) for 94k EUR because it didn't have full leather. Dealer also had to retrofit PCM navigation in this money, so basically, he sold a 140k EUR car with only 5k km for 46k EUR less. Ouch, ouch and again...ouch. At some point, I was thinking buying it myself but when looking at used GTS prices, I have to wonder... Smiley One reason I do not buy Porsches anymore.

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    The lower resale values will translate into higher lease prices at some point. There is no free lunch...


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    SciFrog:

    The lower resale values will translate into higher lease prices at some point. There is no free lunch...

    Possible...even very likely but I just love it to return the car to the lease company without having to care about anything. No resale value worries, no selling worries, no worries about the seriousness of the potential buyer, no worries at all. Yes, the lease is usually more expensive overall but it gives me a peace of mind I really love.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    It shows me one thing - the 911 needs to stay adorable as it is the Porsche myth. Now more then ever, since Porsche is mass producing cars they need to have a vehicle attracting people. And when next year the Macan in the lower middle-class price segment appears they want to fish clients with "hey - you can drive an adorable Porsche, too". 

    Today the 911 is selling better than ever before.  Today the 911 might be important for the story but from the figures its not the most sold and most-revenue car in the company. As stupid as it sounds but "Porsche can and has to afford" to make the car more exclusive and put it in the super-car segment.

    By the way - in Stuttgart its a huge put-off to see lots of Porsche workers and employees driving those cars on dumping costs. Owners which never could afford such a car driving it (as part of their comp package). Why should someone afford to pay 130k€ if the other guy drops his kids in the kindergarten in the same car and just pays as little as 100€ monthly for it (+ tax for monetary benefit)?

     

     


    Re: Porsche Pricing USA - 2014

    RC:
    SciFrog:

    The lower resale values will translate into higher lease prices at some point. There is no free lunch...

    Possible...even very likely but I just love it to return the car to the lease company without having to care about anything. No resale value worries, no selling worries, no worries about the seriousness of the potential buyer, no worries at all. Yes, the lease is usually more expensive overall but it gives me a peace of mind I really love.

    Same here - I afford the lease as it takes the re-selling hassle of me and therefore I'm willing to pay a huge prime! Smiley


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    In the US you can just trade in your car and get sales tax credit (in some states)... No hassle


     
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