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    Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    On a stage, under lights and before the flash of cameras, the new Nissan GT-R NISMO bows on the eve of the Tokyo International Motor Show. But it was on a damp Monday afternoon in September that the car set out to make its mark at the most challenging and renowned racing circuit in the world - the Nürburgring.

    Four experienced drivers took turns at the controls of the Nissan GT-R NISMO fitted with track options at the famous track on September 30, two laps of the Nordschleife (North Loop) each. The goal: set the Nürburgring record for the fastest lap by a volume production car. 

    At 4:48 p.m., 12 minutes before the Nordschleife was scheduled to close, and five minutes before rain began to fall, the last of the four drivers on his last run of the day posted the record time of 7:08.679. 

    Why the 'Ring?

    In some ways, this epic lap was the culmination of 24 years of GT-R testing at the 'Ring, which began in 1989 with the R32 Skyline GT-R. Since then, all cars wearing the legendary GT-R badge have been proven on the track and gone on to critical acclaim in the market.

    When the new Nissan GT-R NISMO edition was conceived as the flagship of the NISMO brand, the team agreed the car would first have to earn its place atop the range before the world would see the final design in an auto show setting. So as show-cars were being readied for debut on stage on two continents on the same day, at the Tokyo International Motor Show and the Los Angeles International Auto Show, NISMO engineers built a prototype to confirm on the tarmac of the Nürburgring.

    "A good lap time of the 'Ring is part of the credibility of a top performance car," says Andy Palmer, Nissan's executive vice president of Product Planning and Brand Strategy. "Most of the cars that lap in the low seven minutes are hand-built, very expensive supercars. We have created something that does better than nearly all those cars, and I think that's quite

    an achievement. No one is anywhere near Nissan when you take value for money into account. And that's what the brand stands for - innovation and excitement for everyone."

    Those Nissan GT-R initials, says Palmer, are special. "They stand for Gran Turismo Racing. The 'GT' is all about four seats and fast miles over a long distance in comfort. ‘R' is the race breed, and the credibility of being able to go fast on a circuit. The four seats are very important to us - it's a four-seater and a very fast supercar. That's quite a combination."

    Nismo - Nissan's motor sport specialists - brings years of track experience, especially in Super GT racing and in events such as the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

    Nissan's goal, Palmer says: "Combine the two and the result is the fastest factory Nissan GT-R to ever conquer the Nürburgring."

    The record run was set after months of testing and tuning that began at the Nürburgring early in the summer and continued on-and-off until the last day of September.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    So they souped the GTR to around 700hp then. 


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Whoopsy:

    So they souped the GTR to around 700hp then. 

    Whatever it takes . It's called  " run what ya brung " . 

    Nothing new here  and each of these official times posted by a manufacturer surely includes " optimizing " every parameter of alignment ,engine ECU, traction mgmt ,etc -but staying ( you hope ) barely within production tolerance ranges -  for that course vs what is normalized assembly line production of  what they give you, Joe Customer ,  off the delivery truck at your dealership.

    So since they all do it, the comparo times still have merit.

     

     


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Whoopsy:

    So they souped the GTR to around 700hp then. 

    Do you reckon a 991 Turbo with 700hp runs the Nordschleife in 7'08"?


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Just an educated guess, It's 20 seconds faster than a 600hp Carrera GT, almost 12 seconds slower than the almost 900hp 918.

    I was gonna guess 800hp, but from previous laps times we know the GTR's awd system can corners pretty well, and that's where it can make up a bit of time vs comparable cars. 

    My final guess is 700-750hp. 

    As for the 991 Turbo with 700hp, hard to say. We know the 991 GT3 will have a sub 7:30 time, the 991 Turbo S did one in 7:24 or 7:26 I think. So with an extra 150hp or so, it could gain those extra 16-18 seconds. 


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Whoopsy:

    Just an educated guess, It's 20 seconds faster than a 600hp Carrera GT, almost 12 seconds slower than the almost 900hp 918.

    I was gonna guess 800hp, but from previous laps times we know the GTR's awd system can corners pretty well, and that's where it can make up a bit of time vs comparable cars. 

    My final guess is 700-750hp. 

    As for the 991 Turbo with 700hp, hard to say. We know the 991 GT3 will have a sub 7:30 time, the 991 Turbo S did one in 7:24 or 7:26 I think. So with an extra 150hp or so, it could gain those extra 16-18 seconds. 

    I just wanted to illustrate that even if the Nismo had 700hp during that run, 7'08" is a huge achievement, one you're not able to achieve with massive power alone. I don't think a 991 Turbo (or any other car fwiw) would gain 16 seconds over one lap with a 150hp increase alone.

    I'm sure the Nismo is a very talented package, it's far from my cup of tea, but I admire what it achieved.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    It's got 600 hp claimed, and almost 500 lbs of torque. New bumper  and aero kit adds 220 lbs of downforce at top speed.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    The GT2 RS with 620 HP did 7:15 with factory driver Timo Kluck. I remember that it was mentioned that Porsche's time was 9 secs less than Sport Auto's.

    A new generation 991 Turbo special derivative will definitely be able to match the alleged 7:08

    I am more interested in the McLaren P1 time vis a vis 918, because this is the top class.


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    However it's impressive 


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    I'm skeptical. 7:08 is not that impressive for a race car. This sentence makes me think they took a production GTR Nismo and then fitted it with actual race car components.

    "Four experienced drivers took turns at the controls of the Nissan GT-R NISMO fitted with track options "

     


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Then why does it say "fitted with track options?" The car is already the track version, so what are the options?


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    The whole story reminds me of some road tests of the Pontiac GTO! (late 60's) 
    RIP Pontiac. Given 'em hell Nissan, while you can (your days are also few).

     

     


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    noone1:

    Then why does it say "fitted with track options?" The car is already the track version, so what are the options?

    http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=28869


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    noone1:

    ... makes me think they took a production GTR Nismo and then fitted it with actual race car components.
     

     

    and how exactly would that help the marketing folks of all these makers sell their  " street " cars , if some or all of them have non production -spec parts ? 

    then no one will believe any of these times whether GTR, P1, M3, 918, etc.,  and ultimately the owners of the track as well as the car makers will suffer  , as if the track hasn't had its share of financial difficulties with ancillary stuff


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/11/nismo-ring-gt-r-not-so-fast/

    Nismo Ring GT-R: Not So Fast

    If you have an Internet connection and an interest in automobiles, you’ve no doubt heard about the 7:08 ‘Ring time claimed for the new Nismo GT-R. Nissan’s in the middle of putting on a trackday/party for compliant media in Japan right now for the purpose of celebrating said time, but one of the journalists who attended turned out to not be quite as compliant as the company might wish.


    The Pistonheads folks asked for details on the modifications to the ‘Ring-time GT-R over and above the standard Nismo GT-R. They were told that

    The Time Attack car, as Nissan refers to it, car had bigger spoilers for more downforce, different dampers and brake pads, bucket seats that contributed to a significant 50kg weight saving and a new ECU map. Together those modifications could count for several seconds around the ‘ring, but perhaps even more significantly the car used to set the time had been tuned specifically for the Nordschleife, as NISMO’s engineers confess.

    Let’s start off by giving Nissan some props: I don’t see the words “roll cage” anywhere in the list of mods. A good cage, along with a seam weld, massively improves grip and handling, which is why you almost always see some sort of cage in the General Motors ‘Ring videos. Nor should a change in brake pads be counted against Nissan, as it’s almost impossible to make a brake pad for large fixed calipers that is both useful on-track and not completely misery-inducing during the daily drive. (Pagid Orange pads are some of the most famous offenders among the Porsche trackday crowd, being absolutely brilliant at operating temperature but shockingly loud and obnoxious in a restaurant drive-through.)

    The rest of the stuff probably matters, in this order: The 110-lb weight loss isn’t much in the context of a GT-R but it’s worth a few seconds. The additional aero must have been nice, but the ‘Ring is one of those tracks where having big wings for cornering speed just kills you when it’s time to go fast down the long straights. I’ve long suspected that a Viper ACR with a drag-reduction system in the rear wing a la Chaparral or modern F1 would be a seven-minute-flat car. The custom damping is hugely helpful and it’s one of the reasons that Continental Challenge cars are so much faster than NASA PT racers to the same spec.

    Now for the big one: ECU tune. One of the most important parts of the NISMO GT-R package is the larger turbochargers. A competent ECU tune with larger turbochargers can easily yield over eight hundred horsepower, even with stock engine internals. If you happen to own the engine factory, you can push even harder and pop a couple of blocks in the process if you need to.

    Does any of this matter? Not really — but it should remind everyone involved that the so-called ‘Ring record isn’t a real record, it isn’t set under controlled conditions, and when all the dust settles it’s little more than a marketing exercise. You already know that, so we’ll call it a day and keep this article short enough that you should have been able to read it in well under seven minutes and eight seconds.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    BiTurbo:
    but it should remind everyone involved that the so-called ‘Ring record isn’t a real record, it isn’t set under controlled conditions, and when all the dust settles it’s little more than a marketing exercise. You already know that, so we’ll call it a day and keep this article short enough that you should have been able to read it in well under seven minutes and eight seconds.

    Smiley


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    It seems like its official now.  They're offering the setup to customers.

    https://youtu.be/gmKFXriJdTw


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    kingjr9000:

    It seems like its official now.  They're offering the setup to customers.

    https://youtu.be/gmKFXriJdTw

    That really is dishonest the way they didn't make all this info known at the time of the record lap...


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    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Grant:
    kingjr9000:

    It seems like its official now.  They're offering the setup to customers.

    https://youtu.be/gmKFXriJdTw

    That really is dishonest the way they didn't make all this info known at the time of the record lap...

    Dishonest? Hmm, I probably wouldn't say "dishonest", I'd probably sly.  There is an old video where one of the developmental guys stated that they were going to sell the setup to the public, they just had to do some more tests on it.

    https://youtu.be/NGyHLkPPhfI


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    kingjr9000:
    Grant:
    kingjr9000:

    It seems like its official now.  They're offering the setup to customers.

    https://youtu.be/gmKFXriJdTw

    That really is dishonest the way they didn't make all this info known at the time of the record lap...

    Dishonest? Hmm, I probably wouldn't say "dishonest", I'd probably sly.  There is an old video where one of the developmental guys stated that they were going to sell the setup to the public, they just had to do some more tests on it.

    https://youtu.be/NGyHLkPPhfI

    These Nissan jerks never stop with their BS strategy Smiley By now we all know how realible they are....


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    They've always sold the Ring package as far as I know, just it's so expensive no one actually bought it.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    About time

    http://www.businessinsider.com/nissan-ceo-carlos-ghosn-step-down-2017-2

     


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    noone1:

    They've always sold the Ring package as far as I know, just it's so expensive no one actually bought it.

    If thats the case, then why haven't testers used it during their tests?  Im sure that it would have posted better times than what they regularly used.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Nissan never supplied it. It was also tuned for the NR, not random tracks that magazines test.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    In another words, they just cheated to get ahead of the Turbo S. No magazine drivers could get close to oficial Nismo laptimes @ Nordscheleife. Stock car was way slower.


    Re: Nissan GT-R Nismo - 7:08 at the Ring

    Porsche even bought their cars and could not replicate anything - next to the fact that you can use it for 1 lap only at a time....


     
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