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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?

    motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive 


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?

    motorsport for the R and the sport classic by Porsche exclusive 

    If this is correct, then it will be special. I asked this question here in the thread before, but so far it was silence...


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    En fait, il est un projet combiné avec la participation de Porsche Motorsport mais oui, Porsche Exclusive avait certainement rien à voir avec cette fois-ci. L'ensemble de la technologie de la 911 R provient principalement de la GT3, donc ce ne Sport Classic rip-off, non pas par un long shot.


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    RC (Allemagne) - Rennteam Editor  Porsche 991 Carrera 4  GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts Smiley


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:

    Porsche Exclusive do the seats inserts Smiley

     

    Most likely, and the inserts adds 50% to the price... at least Smiley


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts????? 


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    pmarkow:
    RC:

    Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts????? 

    Manual gearbox for one...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:
    pmarkow:
    RC:

    Actually, it is a combined project with the involvement of Porsche Motorsport but yes, Porsche Exclusive certainly had nothing to do with it this time. The entire tech of the 911 R comes mainly from the GT3, so this is no Sport Classic rip-off, not by a long shot.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    so what is special about a GT3 without rear wing and with funny seat cloth inserts????? 

    Manual gearbox for one...

    Smiley 12


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    The manual gearbox is the single feature which so far really sticks out. The R is not going to be special because there is no rear wing and has Exclusive Dept seat inlays.


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    letter to Porsche Santa-Claus

    • magnesium rims
    • ceramic brakes
    • magnesium roof,
    • wings, rear spoiler in carbon
    • lightweight doors
    • stripped interior
    • lexan glasses
    • headlight lightened
    • bucket seats
    • lithium battery
    • 3.8 L 490 CV
    • Carrera 2 body Shell
    • sequential box (not only manual)
    • Very desirable classic look
    • 1280 kg Max with AC 1260 without
    • 250 k€ max

    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Rickman:

    lettre à Porsche Santa-Claus

    • jantes de magnésium
    • freins en céramique
    • toit de magnésium,
    • ailes, aileron arrière en carbone
    • portes légères
    • intérieur dépouillé
    • verres Lexan
    • phare allégé
    • sièges baquets
    • batterie au lithium
    • 3.8 L 490 CV
    • Carrera 2 corps Shell
    • boîte séquentielle (non seulement manuel)
    • look classique très souhaitable
    • 1280 kg Max avec AC 1260 sans
    • 250 k € max

    où vous l'avez? très intéressant son semble plus qu'un carrera simples ...SmileySmileySmileySmiley​ dream come true???


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Sounds awesome. Too bad it won't be like that angryindecision


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    letter to Porsche Santa-Claus ...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Indeed the R looks like a special car. But they didn't go far enough for the rumored price. And now they will make 911 of them?

    PDK should be an option. And rear seats, maybe removable or as an option. All for less than $160k. Personally to make it really special I would also have chopped the roof and make it $250k. And real weight savings, not what is rumored...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?

    Accounting department? SmileySmiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?

    Accounting department? SmileySmiley

    Or Marketing Department Smiley


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Lukas:
    Carlos from Spain:
    bluelines:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    To me the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is far more special than the 991 GT3 RS. None of the latest incarnations of the GT4, GT3 or GT3 RS feels "special" in this sense. The GT3 and RS the least, since they are neither the first, nor the last. Once the next generation is out both will be surpassed. The GT4 is not special enough to be special  but it is the first.

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

    Which department is responsible for the R?

    Accounting department? SmileySmiley

    Or Marketing Department Smiley

    Let's hope not. Then the R will undoubtedly stand for Rip-off or (engine-)Reuse Smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Link for th R presentation Geneva - 1 march 9H25 A.M

    http://porsche.gomexlive.com/?lang=en


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Very excited!  Think the press release will come first?


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:

    Very excited!  Think the press release will come first?

    yes the press embargo is finished monday ;) i think we see some pictures in monday (journey)


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple  If true, then truly special!


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    Someone says it will have the Metzger from the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l. This would make the gearbox choice simple  If true, then truly special!

    Not posible the 4.0l metzger is not conform at the new euro 6 norm...Bullshit!!


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    I guess so, unfortunately surprise That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special. 


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    I guess so, unfortunately surprise That engine and gearbox would have made the R truly special. 

    just the 991 RS motor and manual or sequential gearboxSmileySmiley seems enough special for me Smiley


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    A PDK with manual shifter does not feel much special to be honest.


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    The 997 GT3 RS 4.0l is a very different machine. The last of an era. I doubt we will ever see anything like it.

    The jury is still out on the R. It could be special like the 997 GT3 RS 4.0l or it is a "SportClassic with GT3" engine. I lean towards the latter for now.

     

    You are wrong. The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing.

    The SportClassic had nothing to do with the Porsche GT models, it was basically a normal 997 Carrera GTS with a few special ed (design) goodies.

    Big difference!

     The 991 GT3 engine is a lot cheaper to produce than the 997 GT3 Mezger,  I feel this is an important factor in why the 911R gets the 991 GT3 motor, it doesn't cost that much more than the regular 9A1 Dfi motor. Putting a Mezger GT3 in the 007 sport classic would have added what ? 20K + to the production cost and unnecessary particularly as Porsche likes profit margin so much Smiley

    It would have been a much greater deal if the sport classic had got the Mezger making the car much more special, it is interesting to muse whether or not this would have affected the current high resale values at all - my guess is probably not much, collectors like rarity, little else.  

     

     


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Monday or March 1?


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    April 1? smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    April 1? smiley

    LOL.... might as well be


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