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    Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

    I know I am. Something is never enough for anyone. It seems like we are all expecting cars to reach speeds of 60mph in the milliseconds range one day. 2020 Ferrari roadster does 0-60 in .21 vs. 20' SL85's .32 sec's. Hopefully you see that we will all be killed one day by the things we love the most, fast cars + speed.

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

    No!!!

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

    Well, originally I was saying 'there are two things you can never have enough of' - no, not women - I meant 'money and horsepower'.
    But in the meantime I'm no longer sure of the latter. IMO the HP-war must come to an end. Car industry should try to make their cars lighter instead.

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

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    rossi said:
    IMO the HP-war must come to an end. Car industry should try to make their cars lighter instead.



    I agree, who needs more than 500-600 bhp for driving on a normal road.

    In my opinion, when and if the Bugatti Veyron comes out it will be the most pointless car ever made (along with the Hummer H2).

    As you say, carmanufacurers should put more effort into finding new ways the make their cars lighter and more agile, instead of just increasing the bhp. Starting with Mercedes Benz....

    T

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

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    temm said:
    Starting with Mercedes Benz....



    They should be first!

    In Antwort auf:
    In my opinion, when and if the Bugatti Veyron comes out it will be the most pointless car ever made.


    True! BTW, when the Veyron comes out, it's said it will be limited to 350 kph. 1001 hp are absolutely useless. IMO the reason for the top speed limit is, that the car is not drivable at even higher speeds (and NOT, as said by VW, to protect their customers. Well, perhaps it is a way of protection ).

    best
    sr

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

    Not me, if they reach 800Hp and 4,2sec from 0-200Kph like a Formula 1 car, that's great

    J.Seven

    Re: Anyone tired of the HP wars yet???

    YES in deed!

    I'm keen on handling and fun. Of course the power to weight ratio is important. But reduced weight is always your friend. While more power just supports acceleration.

    Cheers
    Thomas

    The problem is much bigger than power.

    The problem is that a lot of the cars getting this power treatment cannot handle it. I personally think it is rather silly to put a big engine in a car and then rely on all of the electronics to keep the car on the road. But on a well engineered car like the Porsche Turbo, maybe there still isn't enough power? The car needs to be engineered as a whole. Simply stuffing a big engine into any old car doesn't work.

    What is really worrying me is the number of high performance cars being made for the general market. Society's affluence means that so many people have money to burn. These people would never have considered buying a high performance sedan before but now, why not? Trouble is, they aren't enthusiasts and really don't have a clue how to drive them.

    Until now, only a real enthusiast would put up with many of the compromises required to build a performance car. The general public would never accept the noise and discomfort of these cars. But now, car companies like Mercedes are stuffing big engines into ordinary sedans and instead of building the cars to handle the power, using electronics to manage them. These heavier and softer cars do appeal to the general public. I think this is a very scary trend because, as we all know, the electronics will not substitute for driver experience. All performance cars, including well made one, will suffer if these cars earn us a bad reputation.

    Stephen

    Re: The problem is much bigger than power.

    So true. I think Benz is really doing it's best to make the most money it possibly can, not only that but MB is trying to be all things to all people, and that tactic to an extent seems to be working. Like you said a lot of enthusiast can tell the good stuff apart from whats just for show. Most of the people that I know that have Benz AMG's don't know a damm thing about performance cars, or performance car driving for that matter. The car goes fast and thats all that really matters. Well I know for myself, that Im no fan of sloppy, wooden, brakes or floaty, wooden steering.

    But it seems the tide is starting to change at Benz AMG as far as the handaling on their cars goes, I have heard nothing but great things about the C55 AMG, and rumors are floating around that the SLK55 is pretty good around the twisties too. The real verdict will come when I get behind the wheel.

    The future should be lightweight and better brakes and steering, not more horsepower.

    Re: The problem is much bigger than power.

    The higher the HP,esp on big cars, the higher the speeds needed to enjoy it, the shorter the duration you are accelerating to get there . Sorta like compressing and diminishing driving " fun" to a few seconds here and there . The other 999,999,999 seconds that you are driving , you won't notice 400, 500 or 600 hp , but the 4000 -5000 lbs is always there when you stop or turn into a fast corner in the hills . With so many high HP cars out there , they only come into their own at 100-150 mph - yet where are all the reports of their drivers getting tossed in jail or losing their licenses for 6 months ? I suspect 99% percent are exercised from 60-95 mph bursts to the safe haven of the next off ramp , then cooled off in the parking lot of the country club. Everyone with a mega power big car should be required to have a low hp car like a Miata for " fun " , where you rev the bejeezus out of it going up and down the gears and throw it around curves and yet are barely staying ahead of a well driven minivan.

    Re: The problem is much bigger than power.

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    AMGeater said:
    The future should be lightweight and better brakes and steering, not more horsepower.



    You'd think so, but how many Lotus Elise do you see on the road??

    fritz

    Re: The problem is much bigger than power.

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    fritz said:
    Quote:
    AMGeater said:
    The future should be lightweight and better brakes and steering, not more horsepower.



    You'd think so, but how many Lotus Elise do you see on the road??

    fritz



    Funny that you mention, because a lot of the Elise purists are complaining that the car's weight is going up relative to the original versions. 880kg vs. 750 kg. A 15-20% weight increase in the interest of creature comforts. Imagine if a 911 Turbo weighed 1700-1800kg.

     
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