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    The other question is, will it end up with a 7-spd manual or a close ratio 6-spd w/o overdrive ? which is imho an extra useless gear on the current 7-spd manual in the 911 lineup.


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    BiTurbo:

    The other question is, will it end up with a 7-spd manual or a close ratio 6-spd w/o overdrive ? which is imho an extra useless gear on the current 7-spd manual in the 911 lineup.

    The other option is a re-geared 7spd manual with all performance gears like GT3 (could share same gears).


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    RC:
    derder:

    I know someone with a deposit on it at another dealership. even tho he is outside the expected allocation list. i.e.,someone in front has to cancel his/her order.

     

    dealer said he's pretty sure its a GT3 engine, narrow body, 4 seats.  and he expects to only get 4 cars (in TOTAL!)

     

    price?  between GT3 and GT3RS is the expectation.   i.e., high AUD 300k.

    arriving mid 2016 in OZ.

     

    if 991.2 GT3 is remains NA and manual is offered.  I don't know how relevant the 911R is....   

    but if Porsche does indeed use the name 911R. you would hope it's a special car.

    SmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmileySmiley

    Yeah not a chance. I hear it's more than Turbo S. 


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    derder:

    I wonder what the dealer does with the deposit money?

     

    Apparently Porsche Australia has 140 GT4 orders for only an allocation of 70 cars for OZ.

     

    so... that's (minimum) $1000 x 70 = 70k  just for the GT4.

    with money market accounts currently offering 0.1% interest rate, it's less expensive for the sales mgr to keep a deposit under his mattress  ..i.e.,no auto dealership floats a deposit for profit in these times 

    Smiley

     


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    MKW:
    derder:

    I wonder what the dealer does with the deposit money?

     

    Apparently Porsche Australia has 140 GT4 orders for only an allocation of 70 cars for OZ.

     

    so... that's (minimum) $1000 x 70 = 70k  just for the GT4.

    with money market accounts currently offering 0.1% interest rate, it's less expensive for the sales mgr to keep a deposit under his mattress  ..i.e.,no auto dealership floats a deposit for profit in these times 

    Smiley

     

    it's free working capital 

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    WAY:

    That car is clearly just a GT3 with a Carrera rear. There is one here like that too. 

    Absolutely illegal, I doubt that Porsche OKd this car and in Europe, it certainly doesn't meet legal requirements.

    My guess is: The owner had the mod done without proper authorization and if something happens, good luck to him when the damages are so high that his insurance company refuses paying... Smiley


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    WAY:

    That car is clearly just a GT3 with a Carrera rear. There is one here like that too. 

     

    The owner has very good taste  Smiley


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    I wonder what the speed is when the lack of a big rear spoiler makes a noticeable difference to the 'castrated' GT3 .. 


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    RC:
    WAY:

    That car is clearly just a GT3 with a Carrera rear. There is one here like that too. 

    Absolutely illegal, I doubt that Porsche OKd this car and in Europe, it certainly doesn't meet legal requirements.

    My guess is: The owner had the mod done without proper authorization and if something happens, good luck to him when the damages are so high that his insurance company refuses paying... Smiley

    In my country the speed limit is 100kmh and 110kmh on interstate highways, unless you live in Central Australia where there is one road that has no limit (the one they filmed the 918 going 350kmh). So really I don't think it really matters what spoiler you have at the rear. Downforce won't even come into play at that sort of speed. 


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    True, if the Carrera can run without a wing so could a car with GT3 engine.

    However, the aerodynamic front/rear balance is crucial. If you remove the wing you should change the front apron too or at least the lower lip in order to match.

    If a car is out of aero balance you never know when it will become unsettled by cross winds for example, and crash.


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    reginos:

    True, if the Carrera can run without a wing so could a car with GT3 engine.

    However, the aerodynamic front/rear balance is crucial. If you remove the wing you should change the front apron too or at least the lower lip in order to match.

    If a car is out of aero balance you never know when it will become unsettled by cross winds for example, and crash.

    In the case of an accident, Porsche would (if asked for their expertise) clearly blame aerodynamics (balance), especially if the speed was higher than 120-140 kph, you are completely right. Even at slightly lower speeds, the aerodynamics could be an issue, like the crosswinds (very strong ones) you mentioned.

    I love the look of the car without that wing but I think that the front needs to be switched as well. 


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    +1.  Porsche puts thousands of hours into research and development to find an accurate aerodynamic balance on a car such as the GT3. Removing the wing or modifying any aerodynamic element creates not only legal issues but an unpredictable car , possibly unsafe. Said that,  I also love the looks of the car.


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    m4ever:

    +1.  Porsche puts thousands of hours into research and development to find an accurate aerodynamic balance on a car such as the GT3. Removing the wing or modifying any aerodynamic element creates not only legal issues but an unpredictable car , possibly unsafe. Said that,  I also love the looks of the car.

    I'm not an aerodynamicist, but I would guess as well that one of the disadvantages of rear engine placement is virtually no space in the bottom rear of the car for slick airflow management, diffusers, etc. that mid-engine cars have used for some time now to gain downforce (or at least avoid lift). 


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    4trac:
    m4ever:

    +1.  Porsche puts thousands of hours into research and development to find an accurate aerodynamic balance on a car such as the GT3. Removing the wing or modifying any aerodynamic element creates not only legal issues but an unpredictable car , possibly unsafe. Said that,  I also love the looks of the car.

    I'm not an aerodynamicist, but I would guess as well that one of the disadvantages of rear engine placement is virtually no space in the bottom rear of the car for slick airflow management, diffusers, etc. that mid-engine cars have used for some time now to gain downforce (or at least avoid lift). 

    you got the physics very right here. this is why 911's need ugly rear wings making them look a bit ghetto style.

    peter


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    pmarkow:
    4trac:
    m4ever:

    +1.  Porsche puts thousands of hours into research and development to find an accurate aerodynamic balance on a car such as the GT3. Removing the wing or modifying any aerodynamic element creates not only legal issues but an unpredictable car , possibly unsafe. Said that,  I also love the looks of the car.

    I'm not an aerodynamicist, but I would guess as well that one of the disadvantages of rear engine placement is virtually no space in the bottom rear of the car for slick airflow management, diffusers, etc. that mid-engine cars have used for some time now to gain downforce (or at least avoid lift). 

    you got the physics very right here. this is why 911's need ugly rear wings making them look a bit ghetto style.

    peter

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    Would be cool if the R had a combination of both rears: wingless at low speeds and a GT3 wing that comes high up at speed. kiss


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    spudgun:

    Would be cool if the R had a combination of both rears: wingless at low speeds and a GT3 wing that comes high up at speed. kiss

    ...and goes by the name Optimus Prime Smiley


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    RS 991:

    http://gtspirit.com/2015/10/29/porsche-911-r-first-spy-shots-from-testing/

    probably first real spyshots. Cheers.

    ...and so much for "don't delete the rear wing it will mess up the aero" Smiley The front looks completely unchanged to me, but maybe I am missing the details.


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    bluelines:
    RS 991:

    http://gtspirit.com/2015/10/29/porsche-911-r-first-spy-shots-from-testing/

    probably first real spyshots. Cheers.

    ...and so much for "don't delete the rear wing it will mess up the aero" Smiley The front looks completely unchanged to me, but maybe I am missing the details.

    you don't conclude that deleting the rear wing does not decrease downforce, do you??

    p


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    Rumormill...

    911 R will have new supersensitive steering that will allow the driver to feel that he or she run over worm on the country road. It will be little bit eco-unfriendly so beware of Green party voters or supporters.

    Engine will be hmm... 4.0 with little bit less power then on RS or 3.8. That makes a lot of sense since Porsche has on stock adequate number of factory refrashed 3.8 engines.

    Price will be beyond good and evil.

    911 R will be slower on both track and road then 991 GT3 and GT3 RS. Barely any faster then Cayman GT4 on the track. Barely any faster then 991.2 C2S on the road.

    But, it will be able to (barely?!) fulfill die hard manual fans wishes and dream. At Porsche hopes that. I can already predict based on info that I got from my P source that many die hard manual fans won't be entirly happy with 911 R, for various reasons...


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    It is coming in February, it will have the 3.8 GT3 engine. 918 owners world wide gets first dibs, not just in the USA.

     


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    3.8 Liter engine is what I've heard as well - and around 300k Euro.......heart


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    BjoernB:

    3.8 Liter engine is what I've heard as well - and around 300k Euro.......heart

    300k?!?!? no


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    bluelines:
    RS 991:

    http://gtspirit.com/2015/10/29/porsche-911-r-first-spy-shots-from-testing/

    probably first real spyshots. Cheers.

    ...and so much for "don't delete the rear wing it will mess up the aero" Smiley The front looks completely unchanged to me, but maybe I am missing the details.

    If you look closely it seems to have some kind of diffusor installed on the underbody (how this combines with having the engine out at the back, I have no clue).


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    Wow... it looks incredibly sexy! I was wondering about the rear wing delete upsetting the downforce balance as well, and did spot the diffusor thingies under the engine... I always learned though that difussors only make sens in cars that are REALLY low to the ground and have a very smooth underbody, so I'm not sure how effective this will really be, compared to a ginormous wing. Well, we'll see!
    Nick, are you getting one, or are you happy with the RS/918 combo for now?


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    300k!!!! si not the price for this car... Sorry but not for me!!! I estimate the car around 200 -230k not more...

    the rear center exhaust is in titanium like the 4.0 i hope he go withe the 4.0 motor indecision

    Another link we can see the 4.0 hood

    http://gtspirit.com/2015/10/29/porsche-911-r-first-spy-shots-from-testing/

     


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    I wonder whether the manual gearbox will the 7 speed (from the PDK) or a 6 speed?


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    Um, how bad could a lack of a wing really be? A normal 911 without a wing can already do nearly 200mph, so I'm sure it will be just fine.


     
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