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    F430 performace data?

    I know there are no real tests yet, but has anyone read anything beside what Ferrari has said? If you have any new information please post it.

    I have this so far:

    0-60 mph - 3.9 seconds.
    0-100 mph - 9.2 seconds.
    1/4 mile - 12.1 seconds @ 118 mph.
    Top speed - 196 mph.

    Very impressive indeed, and I really feel these numbers will be improved on once the testers get ahold of them, what do you all think?

    Re: F430 performace data?

    Interesting is also the lap time around Fiorano, there the F430 is 3 sec quicker than the 360. Which is about as fast as the 360 CS (3.5 sec). But - for what I've heard this lap time is for the STANDARD F430, what means conventional steel brakes. Carbo-Ceramic-Brakes should reduce the lap time by another two seconds or so...

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    rossi said:
    Interesting is also the lap time around Fiorano, there the F430 is 3 sec quicker than the 360. Which is about as fast as the 360 CS (3.5 sec). But - for what I've heard this lap time is for the STANDARD F430, what means conventional steel brakes. Carbo-Ceramic-Brakes should reduce the lap time by another two seconds or so...



    I'd be surprised - no, amazed - if the ceramic brakes alone had that kind of impact on lap time. Over a one-lap distance, which is what we're talking about here, the only real advantage is the lower weight, and that is probably measured in tenths (or even hundredths) rather than full seconds. After all, the stock brakes can reach incipient lock-up with no fade over that distance, so where would the advantage be? There would be more difference over, say, a 30-minute race, where fade would be a factor.

    Gary

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    I don't think so. With the CC-brakes you can brake later than with the steel ones, thus resulting in a quicker lap time, even for one lap only. And if you also add the tyres of a CS...

    Re: F430 performace data?

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    rossi said:
    Interesting is also the lap time around Fiorano, there the F430 is 3 sec quicker than the 360. Which is about as fast as the 360 CS (3.5 sec). But - for what I've heard this lap time is for the STANDARD F430, what means conventional steel brakes. Carbo-Ceramic-Brakes should reduce the lap time by another two seconds or so...



    Wow I did not know that, maybe it was to appease the last of the CS orders? The better brakes will have to reduce those already impressive numbers at least a little. Also remember Fiorano is a tight track, on a bigger track with more straights the F430s power advantage will pull it ahead of the CS easily even with the "regular" brakes....

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    rossi said:
    I don't think so. With the CC-brakes you can brake later than with the steel ones, thus resulting in a quicker lap time, even for one lap only. And if you also add the tyres of a CS...



    Well, we're talking about brakes, not tires, right? And how can you brake later with the carbon brakes when the conventional brakes will bring the tires to lock up just as quickly as carbon? The limiting factor is the tires. With the same rubber, I believe the lap times between a carbon and conventional brake car will be very close.

    Gary

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    tdf360 said:
    Quote:
    rossi said:
    I don't think so. With the CC-brakes you can brake later than with the steel ones, thus resulting in a quicker lap time, even for one lap only. And if you also add the tyres of a CS...



    Well, we're talking about brakes, not tires, right? And how can you brake later with the carbon brakes when the conventional brakes will bring the tires to lock up just as quickly as carbon? The limiting factor is the tires. With the same rubber, I believe the lap times between a carbon and conventional brake car will be very close.

    Gary



    Carbo-ceramic brakes DO allow you to brake later, tires only effect braking the last few feet pending lock-up. So the cars lap times will improve without a doubt.

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    Maybe, maybe not. However, CC brake are lighter by 33-50% thereby reducing unsprung weight at each wheel. That alone would result in better lap time!

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    The added performance is due to lack of fade, not so much latter braking. The weight factor would help alot too.

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    Ferrari factory performance claims are usually slightly overstated. So I don't think that the final product will beat this numbers but I let Ferrari surprise me.

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    they have interest to do it!

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    BluCamSS said:
    Carbo-ceramic brakes DO allow you to brake later, tires only effect braking the last few feet pending lock-up. So the cars lap times will improve without a doubt.



    Huh? You mean if you grant my contention I can immediately apply enough braking force with iron brakes in every braking zone on the track to engage abs, you still believe ceramic brakes would be faster? The limiting factor for brake effectiveness (barring fade) is tire traction, and any brake that can reach that traction limit immediately after brake application will be doing an optimum job from a lap time standpoint. Fade will become an issue later, but not for a few laps, and if the track is not bumpy, lower unsprung weight will not have a huge effect. I'd love to see back-to-back tests, I'd be very surprised if there was much difference over one lap.

    Gary

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    Gary you're correct. There is no differance in braking capability between the ceramic and standard setups, as Porsche and other mfgs have confirmed multiple times. The ceramic option is purely for improving fade resistance, and some slight weight savings.

    Tire compound dictates stopping distance, nothing else.

    Re: F430 performace data?

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    BluCamSS said:Carbo-ceramic brakes DO allow you to brake later, tires only effect braking the last few feet pending lock-up. So the cars lap times will improve without a doubt.



    Maximum braking means threshold braking the entire time that the brakes are on - the steel rotor system has plenty of brake torque to lock the brakes the entire time - there is no braking advantage for the CC brakes, unless they fade less over time (never been shown to be the case)

    Re: F430 performace data?

    I concur with Gary/Mako/Grant, braking distance should be the same since the steel rotors already surpass the tire's abilities, only advantage is fade resistance (in theory) and lower unsprung weight, which in a smooth track surface and for a few laps, it won't be a noticeable advantage in lap times IMO. Another factor could be brake feel, but that remains to be seen if the carbo's are "significantly" better in that respect which I doubt as well.

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    Would say in my experience CS brakes are notably more fade-resistant (in mountain twisties driving) than 360's brakes in similar use....also I find CS brake pedal feel much improved over 360's....I'm looking forward to 996TTS to compare/contrast P's allegedly new and improved PCCB...

     
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