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    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Doesn't look radically different, but yet is it suppose to be? Looks like it might just be a test mule.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    In Antwort auf:
    M5er said:
    Doesn't look radically different, but yet is it suppose to be? Looks like it might just be a test mule.



    Testmule seems correct to me.
    But have a close look at the air intakes at the side: there is a new big air intake at the bottom and the upper air intake looks different too. In the other scan you could even see, that the upper air intake seems to be taped and that its shape originally is longitudinal, begins under the triangle window and reaches well into the back fender.

    I also see some changes at the front, but the bumper looks the same.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Let's compare:





    Well, the upper air intake is definetely different. Not so sure about the lower one now...

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    They look the same to me

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Hard to say for sure due to the image quality, but the tip of the nose seems to protrude out a little bit. It's probably just the front license plate that is making me see things.

    But there is definitely a small lip on the rear deck.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    Justin said:
    ... But there is definitely a small lip on the rear deck.



    That's the only difference I can see.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Thats just a challenge stradale version, probably a pre-production spy shot by its looks on a few details but the wheels, the side windows, the small rear lip, etc is a give away. And the rear side scoop is actually a black fuel filler cap

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    It looks the same to me as well. The upper spot toward the rear is where the gas lid is usually is. It is possible it is only a different cover.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    In Antwort auf:
    carlos fromspain said:
    Thats just a challenge stradale version, probably a pre-production spy shot by its looks on a few details but the wheels, the side windows, the small rear lip, etc is a give away. And the rear side scoop is actually a black fuel filler cap



    Damn you're right carlos!

    So let's wait for another sketch

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Yes it is one of the first mules of the new Ferrari. It's testing the new engineparts. I got the complete article and there is a second photo of the engine. It's full of computerwires and the air intake is silver and not red.

    A friend of my who was in Maranello last week (test of F1 Minardi with Bas Leinders) told me that he saw a few modena's with enginedevelopment materials on board.

    So we have to wait till they come with the exterior mules. For the enzo it was the same story. They started with a stretched 348 for engine development and then came the black mule in which you could see the final design.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Hi all. Found this but not sure if it's a sketch of the 420.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    Justin said:
    Fritz will be glad to know that sarcasm is not lost!!




    Hey Justin,

    I almost missed that! I got so bored with the all the badly-aimed and out of range flak being shot at RC that I stopped following this thread.

    Seriously though, Ferrari could do much worse than scale up a Lotus Elise when developing a new Modena. Scale up power , scale up number of cylinders , scale up size only as much as necessary . They'd have to be careful about scaling up weight though, otherwise it could end up being an AMG instead of sportscar, right Bilal?

    fritz

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    shin said:
    Hi all. Found this but not sure if it's a sketch of the 420.



    you might try reading the topic through before posting, someone posted this picture of a jellybean way up near the top. Thanks though

    Welcome to rennteam, hope you like it

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Fritz,
    I think you are on to something my friend. Unfortunately, there's no real demand from the Ferrari contigent to build an ultra lightweight vehicle and thus they don't really build one for road use. There's no doubting the performance of the current models, but still there's a certain aspect of buyers that always focus on horespower. Why do you need 500 hp (Gallardo for example) to begin with, if you had just designed a less heavy car to begin? What would the public say if a modern Ferrari had only 300hp?

    I love to see cars like Grant's RS replica. Those kind of things really make me salivate.

    Maybe if there was more racing like in days gone by...Targa Florio, Mille Miglia, etc...Anyway, I'm probably blowing this out of proportion. I wouldn't complain too much over Porsche's current GT series offerings.

    Cheers,
    J

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Sorry guys, my mistake. I read through before I registered, that's why I couldn't see the pictures posted and thought no one has posted that pic yet. Silly me.

    Anyway, saw this on another forum. Hope this is not true..

    "I was present at the Australian launch of the 612 a couple of weeks ago, and the invitation said that a couple of people from ferrari management were going to attend the launch. As it turned out we were told that they were occupied by something else at the time, but that they had flown out from Italy.

    Then at the Melbourne Motorshow I was chatting to the ferrari rep., who is the main salesperson for Ferrari in Victoria, and he informed me that the 360 replacement project had recently been presented to Ferrari management, but that the decision had been made to cancel the project, and that the facelift had been cancelled as well. The reason is apparently that they do not think a change neccessary to the model, such as it is amazing already. The connection with the people who were meant to be at the Ferrari launch is that, although I was not told directly, the Ferrari rep. implied that another reason that these figrues from management had flown out of Italy was not just for the 612 launch, but to officially inform the neccessary parties of the cancellation of the 360's replacement project. "

    The thread can be found here :
    http://carspyshots.proboards2.com/index.cgi?board=rumor&action=display&num=1079621354

    What do you guys think?

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Well RC, I don't want to hurry, but anything new about your promised sketch or some answers to some questions?

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    shin said:
    Hi all. Found this but not sure if it's a sketch of the 420.



    Not even close.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    shin said:

    Anyway, saw this on another forum. Hope this is not true..

    "I was present at the Australian launch of the 612 a couple of weeks ago, and the invitation said that a couple of people from ferrari management were going to attend the launch. As it turned out we were told that they were occupied by something else at the time, but that they had flown out from Italy.

    Then at the Melbourne Motorshow I was chatting to the ferrari rep., who is the main salesperson for Ferrari in Victoria, and he informed me that the 360 replacement project had recently been presented to Ferrari management, but that the decision had been made to cancel the project, and that the facelift had been cancelled as well...



    Not true. I don't know why people talk so much BS.
    Maybe he was talking about the "old" decision to abandon the first prototype and go for a new version. But this was a long time ago...

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    rossi said:
    Well RC, I don't want to hurry, but anything new about your promised sketch or some answers to some questions?



    No sketch because the owner of the picture is afraid but I can definetely answer all questions. Go ahead...

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    RC- Does the nose of the car resemble the Enzo (sort of F1 look)? Are there large air intakes in the nose like the current 360?

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    RC- Does the nose of the car resemble the Enzo (sort of F1 look)? Are there large air intakes in the nose like the current 360?



    No, the nose looks more like the 360 nose, not much in common with the Enzo. And no, the air intake looks completely different. The front lights are looking like a mixture of 360 and Enzo headlights, the side air inlet(s) in the rear (side) looks a bit strange because it is at the level of the rear window or even slightly over it. Overall it really looks like a 360 with Enzo genes but people would immediately recognize a 360 and not an Enzo in it. It still has that "feminine" look I never liked on the 360 but it looks more refined, like it is made from one piece (the "flow" of the body shape shows more "harmony" now). The front could also be slightly mistaken with the front of the Lamborghini Gallardo, with the exception of the longer and slimmer front lights.

    It is difficult to explain all details in English but I try my best.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Thanks! I'm glad that the front air intakes have been refined. I was never very fond of that design feature - I thought the 355 had a nicer nose...

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    In Antwort auf:
    RC said:
    No sketch because the owner of the picture is afraid but I can definetely answer all questions. Go ahead...



    In Antwort auf:
    my post from March, 5th:

    - what has happened to the double air intake at the front?
    - has it a more classical grille like older Ferraris?
    - has it a Formula 1 style nose like the Enzo?
    - is the front lower than at the current 360?
    - how does the sideline look like?
    - could you compare it to the gallardo?
    - are the air inlets at the sides bigger than those of the 360?
    - do these air inlets look more like those of the Enzo or perhaps the 355?
    - has the design anything in common with the new 612?
    - does it still have the "hatchback" design of the 360?
    - is its design more aggressive does everything fit together well?


    If you prefer German description, feel free to send me a PM. Thanks in advance.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Some more questions, hope you don't mind RC

    - What I love about the Gallardo is its large and very steeply raked front windscreen - does the 420's look more like Gallardo's or 360's?
    - From the headlight chop you made, looks like the headlight housing is painted in black (like the Enzo) instead of body color (like the 360 and 612)?
    - Does it still have a B-pillar or does it look like it's pillarless?

    Thanks!

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    RC... when are they expecting to show the new car... Geneva autoshow or sooner??

    If they show the car in Geneva looks like deliveries of the car would not start (in the US) until Aug/Sept 05.

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    does it look something like this?

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    If you copy a picture from another thread, you should credit the poster

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    BiZzAr0 said:
    does it look something like this?



    WOW!!!! Thats a very good loking car! Do you have more pictures?

    Re: OK, guys...I have the 420 picture but...

    Quote:
    Scuderia said:
    If you copy a picture from another thread, you should credit the poster



    i posted it first

     
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