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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Everything within 2.5 feet of the front wheel looks awkward to me. The front is fine and the side (at right angle) is fine, but looking at the front corners around the wheels from anything other than 90 degree angles just don't look right.


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch

    Have you ever considered the P1 as a choise ?

    Cheers

     


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Kimi:
    Am I the only one who picked the essential out of Futch's post: GT1? That needs a separate thread in itself.

    SmileySmileySmiley

    The JEVER-Car, the Champion-Car or one of the works-cars???? Smiley

    BlueflameSmiley


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    blueflame:
    Kimi:
    Am I the only one who picked the essential out of Futch's post: GT1? That needs a separate thread in itself.

    SmileySmileySmiley

    The JEVER-Car, the Champion-Car or one of the works-cars???? Smiley

    BlueflameSmiley

    Car 25 Le Mans 1997 works car. 

    1387842033625image.jpg


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    RC:
    Whoopsy:
    Kimi:
    Am I the only one who picked the essential out of Futch's post: GT1? That needs a separate thread in itself.

     

    We are numbed already by his collection  Especially when he has the king of all sports cars, McLaren F1!!Smiley

     

    He offered that I could actually drive some of his babies (I hope he didn't forget Smiley) but can you believe it? I am dumb enough not to take him by his offer. Smiley SmileySmileySmiley Time is money for me, I wish I had more time (and money) to just hop in a plane and do what I want. Family comes first though.

    Futch's collection is amazing and he really loves cars. Kudos to him. Smiley

    Anytime Christian!Smiley


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    JEANTET:

    Please tell us more about your discussion with bartolini concerning the fantastic performance of this stunnig car!

    He told me it's so fast you cannot find a straight long enough to put full throttle which actually is a concern. He also told about his laps with Alonso they're on YouTube. About how it was meant to be a shakedown and they just lost it, he promised it was no bs and the vid is 100% genuine. I believe him and it's pretty funny actually. 

    Also some other funny stories about the car's genesis to be quite electrifying. Can't really go into details but funny stories. Andrea really is a top guy.

     


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    pgouveia:

    Futch

    Have you ever considered the P1 as a choise ?

    Cheers

     

    No. For me it's too similar to the laf in concept. Whereas the 918 complements it for example. And of the two, I really prefer the laf over the P1. The numbers are impressive but the laf is lighter and more powerful. 


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:
    blueflame:
    Kimi:
    Am I the only one who picked the essential out of Futch's post: GT1? That needs a separate thread in itself.

    SmileySmileySmiley

    The JEVER-Car, the Champion-Car or one of the works-cars???? Smiley

    BlueflameSmiley

    Car 25 Le Mans 1997 works car. 

    1387842033625image.jpg


    The Stuck/Wollek car !!!!  Perfect SmileySmileySmileySmileySmiley

    We need a group-picture of your Porsche-collection. Smiley

    BlueflameSmiley

    PS Sorry for OT


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch, soooo happy you went from black to red with a black top. Black just hides the lines and when I saw the above pictures my reaction was it just another Ferrari. With your new color scheme, it will be immediately recognized as a "special" Ferrari and all other super cars will disappear next to it.

    FWIW, I believe the 918 is an amazing car and if Porsche should reduce production, it certainly a car that should be in your garage. There is no other road car like it. If Porsche maintains their production goal, I suspect there will be several on the market at a reduced price. However, in the long run I believe the 918 will hold its value.


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    IF I were to have a LaFerrari, I would probably choose that red with the black top. Pretty much standard Ferrari colour but Ferrari do looked best in that.

    One thing I would probably changed is to have the boat anchor painted black to match the surrounding, to make it less noticeable. 


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:
    JEANTET:

    Please tell us more about your discussion with bartolini concerning the fantastic performance of this stunnig car!

    He told me it's so fast you cannot find a straight long enough to put full throttle which actually is a concern. He also told about his laps with Alonso they're on YouTube. About how it was meant to be a shakedown and they just lost it, he promised it was no bs and the vid is 100% genuine. I believe him and it's pretty funny actually. 

    Also some other funny stories about the car's genesis to be quite electrifying. Can't really go into details but funny stories. Andrea really is a top guy.

     

    Thanks ! I'm sure you will enjoy this fantastic hypercar,your combo choice Is very nice but i definitely prefer a full red car..


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    After Futch' s comment about the LFA I looked at the second hand price market :

    cheapest is Euro : 440 K and the most expenses is 1'055 K  , with a few in the 790K range !!!!!!!!! angry angelangel

    That was a good investment for the one's who bought a year or two ago .


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Whoopsy:

    IF I were to have a LaFerrari, I would probably choose that red with the black top. Pretty much standard Ferrari colour but Ferrari do looked best in that.

    One thing I would probably changed is to have the boat anchor painted black to match the surrounding, to make it less noticeable. 

    Absolutely agree. 


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Porsche struggled to gain production plans for Carrera GT, same thing is happening with 918. Funny thing is, from nowadays perspective Carrera GT turns out as one of best super-cars ever produced in automotive history. Now I wonder, are we going to conclude same thing for 918 in next decade smiley


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Gnil:

    After Futch' s comment about the LFA I looked at the second hand price market :

    cheapest is Euro : 440 K and the most expenses is 1'055 K  , with a few in the 790K range !!!!!!!!! angry angelangel

    That was a good investment for the one's who bought a year or two ago .

    Doubtful. Here's one you can buy in the US for $340K at the most.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lexus-Other-Base-Coupe-2-Door-2012-lexus-lfa-wht-red-1-owner-171-clean-serviced-/151185689092?pt=...

    I highly doubt the LFA is selling at those prices in Europe.


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Look at this link.

    http://fahrzeuge.autoscout24.de/?atype=C&mmvmk0=43&mmvmd0=20192&mmvco=1&make=43&model=20192&pricefrom=10...

    I looked all over continental  Europe. There are hardly any for sale . None in France or Switzerland . One in Belgium . And these in Germany .   Now they may not be sold at that price at the end , but these are the asking prices .

     

    And your link can not be viewed outside of the US…… very strange !!!!

     

     


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    noone1:
    Gnil:

    After Futch' s comment about the LFA I looked at the second hand price market :

    cheapest is Euro : 440 K and the most expenses is 1'055 K  , with a few in the 790K range !!!!!!!!! angry angelangel

    That was a good investment for the one's who bought a year or two ago .

    Doubtful. Here's one you can buy in the US for $340K at the most.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lexus-Other-Base-Coupe-2-Door-2012-lexus-lfa-wht-red-1-owner-171-clean-serviced-/151185689092?pt=...

    I highly doubt the LFA is selling at those prices in Europe.

    The lfa somehow only sold well in Japan and the us. There's only a handful in Europe and the prices on mobile.de are odd. 

    I wouldn't recommend buying one as an investment but as the best modern sports car, yes for sure. I own several modern cars and the lfa is definitely up there with the best if not THE best. It's that good. Then there's the issues with the badge, the looks etc. but from a driving point of view it's exceptional. 

    Value wise, I think the nurburgring package are the ones to go for. Only 50 worldwide, they won't come down. One on auction just did over $500 + in the us. 

     


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:

    My first choice was black but I just configured my car and it will be red with black roof. Very similar to Geneva's show car. Interior leather and alcantara black and red. Front lifter, sat nav and audio, all of which are free options. 

    Delivery at maranello in April/ may, just in time for sunny days and a drive back through the alps. Should be pretty epic. 

    Will post a few pics. Smiley

     

    Awesome SmileySmiley


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:
    BjoernB:

    Maybe when you cross the Alps you let us swiss rennteamers know so we can meet and greet kiss

    That would be nice. Same for Gnil. The stop will be close to La Clusaz which isn't far from Geneva.

    Pick up at Maranello with a shakedown on the Fiorano track if all goes according to plan. So much for the break in procedure. Then drive to Nice and do the route Napolean to Alps. And then Paris. A three day trip which should be the perfect intro to this very special car.

     

    Sounds great. If you wanna have me there too, just drop me a PM. I may join you guys for an hour if the weather permits. Would love to meet you guys. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:
    noone1:
    Gnil:

    After Futch' s comment about the LFA I looked at the second hand price market :

    cheapest is Euro : 440 K and the most expenses is 1'055 K  , with a few in the 790K range !!!!!!!!! angry angelangel

    That was a good investment for the one's who bought a year or two ago .

    Doubtful. Here's one you can buy in the US for $340K at the most.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lexus-Other-Base-Coupe-2-Door-2012-lexus-lfa-wht-red-1-owner-171-clean-serviced-/151185689092?pt=...

    I highly doubt the LFA is selling at those prices in Europe.

    The lfa somehow only sold well in Japan and the us. There's only a handful in Europe and the prices on mobile.de are odd. 

    I wouldn't recommend buying one as an investment but as the best modern sports car, yes for sure. I own several modern cars and the lfa is definitely up there with the best if not THE best. It's that good. Then there's the issues with the badge, the looks etc. but from a driving point of view it's exceptional. 

    Value wise, I think the nurburgring package are the ones to go for. Only 50 worldwide, they won't come down. One on auction just did over $500 + in the us. 

    I just couldn't get over the look and the straight line performance for the price. At $200K I was interested, but definitely not $400K.

    Why can't these Japanese companies come up with equally worthy exteriors? GTR and LFA are amazingly well designed car, but just not pretty enough.


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:

    Car 25 Le Mans 1997 works car. 

    1387842033625image.jpg


    That´s truly awesome. Would love to hear more about that in a separate thread. In which state do you acquire these cars? Are they basically race-ready or have sit for a prolonged time? I guess you have to sort out some bits as on every used car?


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    According to www.infomotori.it a German car dealer is selling a LaFerrari with 200km for 2.38M Euros vs its official 1.3M price. Wonder if Ferrari is happy about this?

    Anyway, not a bad investment.


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    mp:

    According to www.infomotori.it a German car dealer is selling a LaFerrari with 200km for 2.38M Euros vs its official 1.3M price. Wonder if Ferrari is happy about this?

    Anyway, not a bad investment.

    Not a bad investment if someone actually pays this price. Smiley For this kind of money, I would rather get a 918, a F12, a 458 Speciale and there would still be some money left to make my wife very very happy too. Smiley


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    RC:
    mp:

    According to www.infomotori.it a German car dealer is selling a LaFerrari with 200km for 2.38M Euros vs its official 1.3M price. Wonder if Ferrari is happy about this?

    Anyway, not a bad investment.

    Not a bad investment if someone actually pays this price. Smiley For this kind of money, I would rather get a 918, a F12, a 458 Speciale and there would still be some money left to make my wife very very happy too. Smiley

    Exactly my thoughts Smiley


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Well, he might be asking 2.38M, it isn't said he's going to get it... 


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    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    I am sure a "frustrated" owner who didn't got a slot for LF will fork out any amount to get it - I mean there are people paying over 3 Million for a "extremo" open Top Lambo yes


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    BjoernB:

    I am sure a "frustrated" owner who didn't got a slot for LF will fork out any amount to get it - I mean there are people paying over 3 Million for a "extremo" open Top Lambo yes

    Yep, it will probably find a home in Dubai. Smiley


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    RC:
    mp:

    According to www.infomotori.it a German car dealer is selling a LaFerrari with 200km for 2.38M Euros vs its official 1.3M price. Wonder if Ferrari is happy about this?

    Anyway, not a bad investment.

    Not a bad investment if someone actually pays this price. Smiley For this kind of money, I would rather get a 918, a F12, a 458 Speciale and there would still be some money left to make my wife very very happy too. Smiley

    What?? You'd take "two" Ferraris and "one"  Porsche. Are you having a bad day?Smiley 1


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    mp:
    RC:
    mp:

    According to www.infomotori.it a German car dealer is selling a LaFerrari with 200km for 2.38M Euros vs its official 1.3M price. Wonder if Ferrari is happy about this?

    Anyway, not a bad investment.

    Not a bad investment if someone actually pays this price. Smiley For this kind of money, I would rather get a 918, a F12, a 458 Speciale and there would still be some money left to make my wife very very happy too. Smiley

    What?? You'd take "two" Ferraris and "one"  Porsche. Are you having a bad day?Smiley 1

    Actually he´s having a lucidity moment Smiley

    J.Seven


    Re: Spotted my first LaFerrari

    Futch:
     
    Gnil:

    Futch , have you reconsidered the 918 now that we have the final specs and the first driving reports ? 

    With the LaFerrari , I understand that you secure some sort of investment  ( at least you will not loose ) , but the 918 sets a new benchmark in technology and it is the first super car ''of the future'' , bringing real hybrid to high end sports car and demonstrating that even with more weight and hybrid it is fantastic to drive .

    The 918 is really amazing, to achieve these performance figures with that weight, not many other car company could have done it. I don't discard buying one but I wanna see how they move first, my opinion is that, somehow, for whatever reason, the supercar buyers are not warming up to this car. I think it's down to a few reasons, firstly, I think Porsche showed it around too much, so even though it is beautiful, there is no mystique around it like there could be for a Laf, P1 or Pagani, I think... Secondly, it's a Porsche, it's the same brand that just announced 50000 Macan per year and sells more Cayenne than any other models put together, it's good for the balance sheet, it's not so good for the supercar image.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Porsche guy, I own over 25 of them, the latest one I bought is the mighty GT1 (race car version) but for me, Porsche is making the same mistake than the 959, the 918 is sports car of the future, but buyers are not ready for it I think, and then there's the question of the price and numbers (at least, with the 959, they made only 250 or so). 

    They're making too many 918, just like they made too many Carrera GT and it's too expensive, almost 900k euros for a Porsche is silly. People who want the purest experience and exclusivity will buy a Laf or a P1 or a Huayra and people who want a hybrid sports car will buy a BMW i8.

    I'm close to Porsche (I am racing with them next year in the WEC and ELMS) and they know how I feel about the 918. I have been invited to try drive the car and maybe this will change my mind. Maybe I would buy the car as a technology tour de force and a show case of the know how of the company, not as an emotional supercar purchase.

    I will certainly post my driving impressions once tested, but whatever my thoughts, I will wait and see how the market reacts. At present they are struggling to sell them and this is not good news. The worst that could happen is late clients being delivered while the first ones are already on the 2nd market with a discount. That's what happened wit the Carrera GT and they decided to halt production well shy of their 1500 cars target.

    At this level of price, for me, there is too much uncertainty about its future value. Maybe in a few years as second hand, we'll see. I'm certainly in no hurry. I have the luck of owning other cars (honestly Gnil, I would have never believed it, but I am haing so much fun with the LFA, this car is the most underrated car ever made, it's THAT good, I'm not kidding!!!) but so do most supercars owners and I am sure they went through the same thought process, otherwise the car would be sold out.

    The LaFerrari, I think you're right, I don't know if they will go up, but I am also almost certain they will not go down. They are all sold out and rumors are that there were more demand than offer, so this can only be a good sign. Plus Ferrari is playing beauty queen a bit with this car, it's the opposite marketing strategy to Porsche, no testdrive, no pressday, nothing. This is a car for the best 499 clients and that's it. Like it or not, it seems to be working. Interesting fact, Ferrari is working on a full electric mode because a lot of clients have requested it, mostly for leaving their home in quiet mode or for city centers. It wasn't originally planned but it's technically possible and they're working on it. The option will be retrofittable and alow the Laf to drive a few km in electric mode only. It's pretty cool and definitely useful.

     

    Well put Futch, exactly my feelings...


     
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