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    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    AUM said:
    M3 CSL = GT3 killer

    +++ Any evidence/details for this?



    Don't worry, he's just trying to make you bite, or make me spend my money and get a GT3. Insecurity you see.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

    M3 CSL (7:50) on Nordschleife, 997 GT3 (7:47) --> GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...

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    rantanplan said:
    GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...



    Eventually both will be "killed" by a tuned Mini That's the fun on NoS: when the green flag drops....

    @ ResB: count me in - can't wait

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    rantanplan said:
    M3 CSL (7:50) on Nordschleife, 997 GT3 (7:47) --> GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...



    There is a lot of chatter on CLS forums of duals with GT3s. It is often claimed the the GT3 is faster on the straights but slower than the CSL in the corners (after it has the brakes upgraded).

    But it would seem that it is a drivers race as both cars are quite close with no real killer in sight.

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    Porsche-Jeck said:

    @ ResB: count me in - can't wait



    Absolutely. Only a week to run on the Poll then I'll post the dates. For those who can make it, it will be a blast I'm sure.

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    AUM said:
    Quote:
    rantanplan said:
    M3 CSL (7:50) on Nordschleife, 997 GT3 (7:47) --> GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...



    There is a lot of chatter on CLS forums of duals with GT3s. It is often claimed the the GT3 is faster on the straights but slower than the CSL in the corners (after it has the brakes upgraded).

    But it would seem that it is a drivers race as both cars are quite close with no real killer in sight.



    I agree. Having said this, the Nordschleife is not a brake heavy track as I understand it, so that AP brake conversion that's pending Ady isn't going to help you Mind you it is a phenomenal conversion, it's amazing the difference it makes.

    Just ask him what his next car is if all goes well with the new venture? (Sorry , Ady, I just can't stand here and let you try and wind my fellow enthusiast up like that )

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    The Nordschleife is less demanding on brakes than most tracks but after three fast laps the standard M3/CSl brakes will overheat and turn to mush.

    The APs (or at least pagid yellows and hi-temp brake fluid) are required to make the CSL stop properly. The GT3 brakes work out of the box and just need fluid upgrade.

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    I am not sure I can get that week off.

    However if I could, I would need to get a car. Coming from the states what kind of things are available; can you rent porsches and take them to the ring? and lastly what should I expect to pay?

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    GRN2RSMO said:
    I am not sure I can get that week off.

    However if I could, I would need to get a car. Coming from the states what kind of things are available; can you rent porsches and take them to the ring? and lastly what should I expect to pay?



    Indeed you can. Check this link:

    www.rent-racecar.de

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    rantanplan said:
    M3 CSL (7:50) on Nordschleife, 997 GT3 (7:47) --> GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...



    Not really, The CSL has around 260bhp/ton and the GT3 around 295bhp/ton so really that should buy you more than three seconds a lap would you not agree.

    I can only assume that the problem is with the 30 year old chassis design or the engine being in the wrong place.

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    Just ask him what his next car is if all goes well with the new venture? (Sorry , Ady, I just can't stand here and let you try and wind my fellow enthusiast up like that )



    That will be the E92 CSL then

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    AUM said:
    The Nordschleife is less demanding on brakes than most tracks but after three fast laps the standard M3/CSl brakes will overheat and turn to mush.

    The APs (or at least pagid yellows and hi-temp brake fluid) are required to make the CSL stop properly. The GT3 brakes work out of the box and just need fluid upgrade.



    If they work out of the box then why change the fluid?

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    The E92 CSL will have to be very good to beat the GT-R N-spec. And these will probably be the only four-seater cars with sub 7.40 Ring times. But the CSL (even if slower than the N-spec) should win on driver satisfaction.

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    adymcd said:
    Quote:
    AUM said:
    The Nordschleife is less demanding on brakes than most tracks but after three fast laps the standard M3/CSl brakes will overheat and turn to mush.

    The APs (or at least pagid yellows and hi-temp brake fluid) are required to make the CSL stop properly. The GT3 brakes work out of the box and just need fluid upgrade.



    If they work out of the box then why change the fluid?



    Standard brake fluid has too low of a boiling point for serious track use.

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    adymcd said:
    Quote:
    rantanplan said:
    M3 CSL (7:50) on Nordschleife, 997 GT3 (7:47) --> GT3 is a M3 CSL killer and not the other way around...



    Not really, The CSL has around 260bhp/ton and the GT3 around 295bhp/ton so really that should buy you more than three seconds a lap would you not agree.

    I can only assume that the problem is with the 30 year old chassis design or the engine being in the wrong place.



    Don't go there! This is a Porsche forum.

    Or it could be that the CSL is an unusually well balanced car that can carry more speed through corners.

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    AUM said:
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    adymcd said:
    Quote:
    AUM said:
    The Nordschleife is less demanding on brakes than most tracks but after three fast laps the standard M3/CSl brakes will overheat and turn to mush.

    The APs (or at least pagid yellows and hi-temp brake fluid) are required to make the CSL stop properly. The GT3 brakes work out of the box and just need fluid upgrade.



    If they work out of the box then why change the fluid?



    Standard brake fluid has too low of a boiling point for serious track use.



    And racing brake fluid has too short a "life" between changes to allow it to be used as original equipment in a road car. It is prone to absorbing humidity from the air, resulting in vapor bubbles in the brake lines when hot, so needs to be changed at shorter intervals than the regular service intervals of modern cars.

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    well that may be true but at the end the GT3 still is faster than the CSL on the track..I thought that was the sole reason for one car to "kill" the other. Also, it has to be taken into consideration that sometimes small advantages of a car can not be put into a better lap time on NS. --> see GT3 vs. GT3 RS
    by the way, I know how good the CSL is, my everyday is a E46 M3 with SMG which has been around the ring countless times...

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    This thread is going way off-topic...

    It's about organising a meet-up. I'm in the process of trying to re-arrange my holiday dates.....fingers crossed.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    rantanplan said:
    well that may be true but at the end the GT3 still is faster than the CSL on the track..I thought that was the sole reason for one car to "kill" the other. Also, it has to be taken into consideration that sometimes small advantages of a car can not be put into a better lap time on NS. --> see GT3 vs. GT3 RS
    by the way, I know how good the CSL is, my everyday is a E46 M3 with SMG which has been around the ring countless times...



    You and GT3 Killer clearly need to meet at the Ring for a race during the Rennteam get-together.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    John H said:
    This thread is going way off-topic...

    It's about organising a meet-up. I'm in the process of trying to re-arrange my holiday dates.....fingers crossed.



    No worries (as they say in NZ ). The diversion is keeping the thread alive and generating interest for the meet-up.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    No worries (as they say in NZ )...



    Nah mate, that's an Aussi phrase.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

    Anyone from Rennteam at the Ring from 28. april to 4. may?

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    Probably me, if the weather's fine.

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    FF said:
    Anyone from Rennteam at the Ring from 28. april to 4. may?



    Just be carefull about those dates guys. The ring is not open to the Public from the 30th April till the 3 May because of the scuderia Hanseat course.

    I'll be taking part of the course if still place left.

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    Cram said:
    Quote:
    FF said:
    Anyone from Rennteam at the Ring from 28. april to 4. may?



    Just be carefull about those dates guys. The ring is not open to the Public from the 30th April till the 3 May because of the scuderia Hanseat course.

    I'll be taking part of the course if still place left.



    Here is the event calendar for the Touristenfahrten track days:

    Sunday, 27.04.08 from 08:00 until 19:00
    Monday, 28.04.08 from 17:15 until 19:30
    Tuesday, 29.04.08 from 15:15 until 19:30
    Wednesday, 30.04.08 from 08:00 until 19:30

    Saturday, 03.05.08 from 17:30 until 19:30
    Sunday, 04.05.08 from 08:00 until 19:30
    Monday, 05.05.08 from 13:00 until 19:30

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

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    Cram said:
    Quote:
    FF said:
    Anyone from Rennteam at the Ring from 28. april to 4. may?



    Just be carefull about those dates guys. The ring is not open to the Public from the 30th April till the 3 May because of the scuderia Hanseat course.

    I'll be taking part of the course if still place left.



    I'm attending the Scuderia Course. If you want to take part, you should do it yesterday because I think its almost fully booked. This because of the 50 years anniversary this year.

    For you attending this course, say hello. Maybe we can have a beer together.

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

    Keeping the spirit alive
    Never enjoyed a more empty NoS than today
    Some pics for you:

    1. white R8 at white Brünnchen II

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    unusual visitors at the Brünnchen parking place

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    the new fences suck (Pflanzgarten)

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    Better stay away from the curbs today

    Re: *** Rennteam Nurburgring Meeting ***

    Question for the Pros: which corner is it ?

     
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