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    And fake weissach rims 😜


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    The color looks like they brought back Lapis Blue?!! 


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    I must say that I like the more pronounced front fenders as seen in the last pic.  The louvres are ugly and cheap looking. 


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    turbolite:

    I must say that I like the more pronounced front fenders as seen in the last pic.  The louvres are ugly and cheap looking. 

    I'm not sure if it's more pronounced than on the 991, it could be an illusion.


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    The rear is very nice and fat. Like it a lot. The front is ok, the new 991R style hood is nice. I'm not a fan of all those black plastic parts, its a bit like VW GTI in the 90s. 

    But - if you compare it to an Aventdaor or McLaren it clear shows how slow the Porsche design development moves. Not much of 3d-parts, which is kind of 2018ish. Still the same old way of desiging a car. Take your metals and add some plastic parts with shape. 

    I know that they will rock on the performance side, but hey - any other brand can build fast cars, too. Thats not the big deal anymore. 

    I think it is like an TV show running in the 7th season. The story is told. Not much room for new. Even all the sexy ladies in the story are getting old and even if you add young ones it can't make up for. 

    Sorry Porsche.... RIP. 


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    The black plastic in the rear may be a trend that others are likely to follow (or fall victim to...) Here's the recently re-designed BMW 5 series (the G30):

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    I am excited about the new 911, as always. But, like always, there are some areas where I think there are some odd design curves going on. Some may be highlighted due to the camo, the angle of the picture or the color of the car, so I will hold my final judgement until I see the car for real, but my main concerns are in the areas higlighted below, notably the corner between the headlight and the shutline of the front bumper and the frunk. The fishbowl headlights are still there, where I had hoped they would have flattened the design a bit. Lastly, the shutline of the rear spoiler looks a bit odd. I am also thinking it will look really weird when extended. I love the thought of opening the entire rear decklid thought.
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    I like the evolution of the 911, always did but I want(ed) something else and since Porsche doesn't offer a 960...

    I got bored. Yes, I know that the 992 will be the best 911 ever but this is exactly the problem. I don't want my regular New York Steak all the time, I switched to a Filet Mignon. 

    Meaning: I want a R8. I want a 488. I want a Huracan. I want a 720S or 600LT. I want something faster, different, just not a 911 anymore. If Porsche cannot make this happen, I have to look somewhere else and I'm afraid many people did and do and will do the same. The 911 is a legend but I want something new. Sorry.


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    We are on the same page RC. I'm bored by the 911. 

    But I'm happy that my parents in their golden age can drive a sporty car safely. But I guess - they are the target group anyway broken heart


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     Fascinating discussion about the 911’s appeal. With so many exciting products during this era of automotive excellence, the 911  can appear boring. Porsche certainly understands this possibility, and understood it years ago when it began to develop the Boxster,  Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera, now the Taycan.  I felt this lack of appeal back in the 1980s and 90s, and would not have considered buying a 911 during those times, although I had six 911s prior to that.

    I love my Panamera Turbo, as I did  my previous Cayenne Turbos, and I am excited about the Taycan.  But oddly, I have begun to think about buying a 911 again. There’s something about the clean shape, and the unbelievably fun  performance – in the price range – that still is appealing. And you can bet that when the car is reviewed by journalists it will yet again be hailed as a brilliant and enduring icon with stupendous drivability and performing rmance.

    Bottom line, I think Porsche understands this ongoing appeal, and is right to continue to evolve the 911. Time and customer demand of course will tell...


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    The 911 is both an iconic and aspirational car to many. It will continue to sell in sufficient numbers for Porsche to continue justifying the cost to develop and build new variants. For every owner who has had several examples and become bored of the rinse/repeat design formula there will always be new customers to the brand or those moving on from either the Boxster/Cayman or, more as is more likely the case now, moving up from a Macan or Cayenne. As Wonderbar points out from his personal experience customers have been getting "bored" of the car for decades and dropping out of ownership and trying other marques out so it is nothing new to feel as a customer that you require something new and different. It is easy to forget that this is still a low volume model in real terms so glacial change for such an iconic model is really the only way for Porsche to maintain it's allure to future customers. How many manufacturers wish they had an evergreen model like the 911 in their range to provide a real sense of connection with their history yet always be the top of it's segment for performance. I would wager Audi wish they had continued with the original Quattro model and gently evolved it as their brand halo car. Such a model would have had greater relevance to their wider range than the R8 has.

    A new interpretation of the 928 might appeal to repeat 911 buyers looking for something fresh and have wider market appeal with a 2 + 2 layout than a mid engined 960 and likely generate higher margins as a result.


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    So I guess I need to go with Lamborghini or McLaren in the future... Smiley


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    Well I'd wager that is exactly what most of us have done   There is no rule that says you must remain a die hard 911 buyer. I usually find, to the detriment of my wallet, that I miss a 911 in the garage once I've sold it and so end up coming back after usually wasting a lot of money on other cars in the intervening period.

    The secret to 911 happiness is finding the model that suits your needs/usage best. If you have other cars in the garage like an R8, Huracan, 488, 720 etc then you will probably be disappointed by the more expensive 911 models and find them lacking in the visceral thrills that mid engined car provides and question the value of the performance when you can get all the latest tech bells and whistles plus autbahnstorming performance from the mass market manufacturers in AMG, M or RS models. A model like the 991.2 Carrera T is probably the sweet spot in terms of the blend of performance and handling fun versus cost. It obviously won't touch the mid engined stuff though if autobahn dominance is your goal. For me the sweet spot has proven to be the targa 4S for the type of usage I have.

     


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    Great insight in the last few posts - FWIW my sweetspot is the humble PDK C2. Makes most sense for me as UK speed-limited consumer.


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    Old days the Porsche was the only reliable and daily usable sports car. Today you have so many options. You dont need to buy a Porsche anymore to have a sport car you can take to work or shopping. Form follow function is not enough to excite me. It needs to push the emotional triggers which I do see in a Lambo or a McLaren. But thats my taste. And where I live, the Porsche is a worker car from the factory workers and employees. So - not something you like to drive and been seen with smiley

     

     


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    Lars997:

    Old days the Porsche was the only reliable and daily usable sports car. Today you have so many options. You dont need to buy a Porsche anymore to have a sport car you can take to work or shopping. Form follow function is not enough to excite me. It needs to push the emotional triggers which I do see in a Lambo or a McLaren. But thats my taste. And where I live, the Porsche is a worker car from the factory workers and employees. So - not something you like to drive and been seen with smiley

     

     

    wow, you have cool neighbors Smiley


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    Again, Porsche puts the fuel filler on the wrong side ! mail   

    Other than that, the 992 will probably be faster, handle better, stop better than the current ones. But all that tire size makes for a lot of tire noise and weight and sucks away a lot of power.

    The 992 pricing model will probably be stair stepped  with model and options getting higher enough to make you look for a used R8 or Hurracan.

    They need to develop a new sports car.

     

     


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    Here's what we need: a modern version of this; a Bertone bodied 1966 911S!!! Beautiful. Such elegantly designed air intakes...

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    That suspiciously looks a lot like a Fiat 850 spyder took growth hormones....indecision

    That Bertone 911S is a very interesting looking car in need of a shorter windshield and a smaller steering wheel,.


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    JimFlat6:

    Again, Porsche puts the fuel filler on the wrong side ! mail   

    They need to develop a new sports car.

     

    Haha, this is a bizarre desire!!  On my NZ GT3, it's right by the driver's door!  On the US GT3 it's right where you pull the passenger side up to the pump.  What'sa problem???Smiley

    As for a new sports car....  they see the market is flooded and the capital/profit damage that to 911... both make it impossible.  As others say above... just buy another brand.

     

     

     


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    the surfaces are much more interesting than the Fiat 850, despite the similarities. Agree re steering wheel (though normal for the period)

     


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    JimFlat6:

    That suspiciously looks a lot like a Fiat 850 spyder took growth hormones....indecision

    That Bertone 911S is a very interesting looking car in need of a shorter windshield and a smaller steering wheel,.

    And the windshield is tall in order to accommodate the large steering wheel Smiley


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    Not too bizarre...indecision  In days of yore, ye olde 911s of the LHD persuasion had the filler on the drivers side for a reason. Now such practical design elements have been forgotten and replaced with Porsche thinking up trivial rubbish like what color lighted door sills to offer. indecision  Or leather covered air vent slats etc..


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    Looks like Lapis Blue is back?!


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    JimFlat6:

    Again, Porsche puts the fuel filler on the wrong side ! mail   

    Other than that, the 992 will probably be faster, handle better, stop better than the current ones. But all that tire size makes for a lot of tire noise and weight and sucks away a lot of power.

    The 992 pricing model will probably be stair stepped  with model and options getting higher enough to make you look for a used R8 or Hurracan.

    They need to develop a new sports car.

     

     

    I need from Porsche a "960" and a "Panamera Coupe". The 960 could be my weekend toy, a Panamera Coupe my family car. Unfortunately... Smiley


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    Any news on when the offical photos will pop up?


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    well, I assume even dates on press embargos are top secret nowadays ?


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    Does anyone else think that is Lapis Blue?


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    d997h:

    well, I assume even dates on press embargos are top secret nowadays ?

     Not even David Suchet Poirot would find it!!!!


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