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    Porsche "shoots" against Cayenne Tuners?

    A little birdie told me that Porsche sent some nice letters to various Tuners who also do Cayenne tuning to warn them that they don't approve what they're doing with the Cayenne and that the Cayenne isn't fit for that kind of tuning, mostly engine tuning. They also seem to threaten Tuners that in the case of an accident, Porsche will tell the same thing to authoroties to make sure that they're not involved and that the Tuner gets the full blame.

    This happened before (remember the "crack in the body Boxster/996 story"?) and it seems that Porsche is very concerned with what some Tuners do regarding the Cayenne.
    They might have a point here: no Tuner can testdrive a tuned Cayenne sufficiently. And some Tuners add 100 HP and more to the Cayenne without installing a bigger brake. Or they install a bigger brake with bigger discs and calipers but they actually didn't really test it. And what works well on a GT2 doesn't have to work the same way on a Cayenne.

    Of course Porsche does this also to justify their upcoming powerkit, no doubt about it. Maybe they should have made the 500 HP a standard option on the Cayenne Turbo, I'm pretty sure that a lot of customers would be happy enough with 500 HP. But money talks...

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    Bullshit walks -

    You cant start the qoute and not finish it

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    TopherV said:
    Bullshit walks -

    You cant start the qoute and not finish it



    I think I don't understand, please explain.

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    RC said:
    Quote:
    TopherV said:
    Bullshit walks -

    You cant start the qoute and not finish it



    I think I don't understand, please explain.



    TopherV thought you were partially quoting the common expression "Money talks ... Bullsh*t walks", meaning you can say many things and talk big but when you show your money is when you really indicate your seriousness.

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    Not sure why the necessity to increase the brakes given the weight of the truck is unchanged. You do know they use the same brakes for the V6 Cayenne that they do for the TT Cayenne?

    With the outrageous $ Porsche charges for their silly power kits which should be standard equippment at the price points at which they sell, it's no wonder they're trying to scare/bully the tuners to protect the ludicrous margins on the power kits.

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    Yes there is a clear need to increase brakes when power is increasing ....

    With more power you go faster which means that you need more energy to slow down ..... E=1/2 mV(2)

    OK: m (weight) is constant but V(2) (i.e. square) can be much higher with a more powerful car hence the requirement for larger brakes !!!!

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    I think the front brakes on the V6 are slightly smaller than those on the TT and S, allowing the V6 to come standard with 17" wheels. The 17" wheel will not fit over the S and Turbo front brakes.

    Likewise, the 500 hp upgrade kit will require 19" wheels, minimum.

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    EricAlain said:

    Yes there is a clear need to increase brakes when power is increasing ....

    With more power you go faster which means that you need more energy to slow down ..... E=1/2 mV(2)

    OK: m (weight) is constant but V(2) (i.e. square) can be much higher with a more powerful car hence the requirement for larger brakes !!!!



    Unless you are raising the top end, the car was designed to brake the weight it was manufactured with for the maximum speed at which it was designed. I suppose this is another U.S. vs. Europe deal. Those of us in the U.S. will likely never see the OEM top end on the Cayenne and would use any additional power to get to OEM capable speeds quicker.

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    GM Austin pretty much got it down - A story could put it in perspective.

    My friend was selling his car at a show once and a guy came up to him and asked how much. He said 15Grand. The guy said ill give you 12G's. He said no, i told you 15. The guy leaves and comes back with money in his hand, shows it to him and says 12 thousand.

    Of course my friends BS was trying to get 15Grand for the car. But the 12 thousand he carried with him just won him over.

    Money talks, bullsh*t walks

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    Is that the reason RUF doesn't have a Cayenne in their lineup? I think Porsche is going nuts here because Porsche cars have been under the hands of tuners since I can remember, how come now they are all concerned? This goes against a tradition if you will. Just my opinion.

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    Frissen said:
    Is that the reason RUF doesn't have a Cayenne in their lineup? I think Porsche is going nuts here because Porsche cars have been under the hands of tuners since I can remember, how come now they are all concerned? This goes against a tradition if you will. Just my opinion.



    1. Porsche does not support Porsche Tuners, they do not work with them together and they don't sell prototype parts to them. In some cases, Porsche Tuners can't even get parts from Porsche/Porsche Motorsport directly but have to get them through different sources. There is also a so called "black list" regarding Tuners, of course not officially.

    2. some Porsche Tuners love to tell customers that they actually have official or unofficial support from Porsche/Porsche Motorsport and that the software, parts, etc. they're using is actually developped by Porsche but never got into production, bla bla bla. See point 1.

    3. Porsche always sent similar "warning shots" to Tuners, this is nothing new. Actually these "warning shots" are tradition, not Porsche supporting Tuners.

    Many people will ask why Porsche is concerned with aftermarket Tuning and I think I have some simple answers:
    1. they can't control it: they can't control development, they can't control testing and they can't control the quality of the final product.
    2. reputation: if a tuned Porsche brakes down all the time, people will actually blame Porsche for that. And the risk of an accident is also higher in a tuned Porsche, resulting in higher accident statistics and maybe even in a bad reputation.
    3. warranty repairs: a lot of customers tune their cars (especially chip tuning is very popular among turbo charged Porsche owners because it is cheap and sometimes the Tuners promise that it is undetectable) and if something brakes down, they claim warranty repairs. Warranty repairs Porsche has to pay for if they don't find out that the car has been modified.
    4. legal issues: if a Porsche starts to burn, if the brake fails, if the driver looses control because of a broken suspension part, if a tire blows, etc., Porsche has to take legal responsibility. With a tuned car, the risk of such things happening is much much higher. Not good for Porsche.

    I'm sure Porsche has more or even different reasons but with on thing I fully agree: why should they take any responsibility for third party products or resulting "mess-ups" from such products?!
    I just wish Porsche would charge a little bit less for their stuff because money is one issue why people prefer Tuners. Nobody understands why 50 HP for the Cayenne Turbo costs let's say 3000 bucks at the local dealer and almmost 20000 at Porsche. So even people with money take the cheaper route. To avoid such things, Porsche should give more insight into their "tuning" products and they also should offer them at lower prices. Almost 20000 USD for a software change, different intercoolers and a new brake system...OUCH. I know that they might claim that there is development cost too in that higher price tag but a little birdie told me that Porsche actually develops this stuff mostly together with standard development and I don't see why they should argue with increased development cost.

    And the funniest part about all this: I'm pretty sure that we see soon a product from a Tuner which actually uses the Porsche software and the intercoolers and brake system as parts, not as an official kit from Porsche. I'm just curious how much they'll charge for it.
    It will be also interesting to see if it is possible to retrofit the intercoolers and brake system seperately by ordering the parts from the parts catalogue.
    The software would be another problem...but not really.

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    RC said:
    It will be also interesting to see if it is possible to retrofit the intercoolers and brake system seperately by ordering the parts from the parts catalogue.
    The software would be another problem...but not really.



    I was wondering about the 'parting' of it all too.

     
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