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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Here it is... M3 GTS 

    https://www.m-power.com/_open/b/home.jsp?lang=en

     

    Video:

     

    Andrea had very accurate info more than one week ago, thanx Smiley


    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    More photos: Smiley

     


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    115.000€ with Mwst. in Germany... Hmm...

    In my country this car will not be available.


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    I like it (but not in orange :) )


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

     can one of the mods please rename this thread to "M3 GTS"


    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Unfortunately it will be very very limited production... 

    More informations:

    • The price of the BMW M3 GTS with the features shown is expected to be EUR 115,000.- for delivery in Germany, including 19% VAT.
    • The first vehicles are due to be supplied in May 2010.
    • The first vehicles to be produced will be those for individual registration in Germany
    • Registrations in other countries will be possible from summer 2010
    • 450 BHP (4.4l V8)
    • 1490 kg (3278 lbs)
    • 6 / 4 piston brake system
    • 6 point harness
    • 255 35 19 F
    • 285 30 19 R
    • Rollbar behind the front seats ( only 2 seats )
    • Front splitter and Spoiler ( adjustable )
    • Fire hydrant
    • Racing combo with helmet

    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    I like it but it is too hardcore for my liking; also very expensive for what I'm waiting for  

    I'm also surprised that for additional 30 hp, Motorsport has to increase displacement by 400 cc.


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    pride355:

    I'm also surprised that for additional 30 hp, Motorsport has to increase displacement by 400 cc.

    Makes the new GT3RS look even more impressive by making the same power with 600cc less - let's hope the motor makes more in reality.  On Jalopnik, they said it would have 470hp...

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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

     i was going to get specific about how much i like all the details, but im just going to go with "I love everything about it !!!" although this is a car to have in white, or maybe blue. must be an awesome track toy.


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    Im not a fan at all. I am the only one who finds this thing a really cheap and poseur. I mean, 6 point harness, fire ex., racing helmet inc. and then that front lip. Ok it must be a serious track monster... oh wait how much does it weight 1500kg. Give me a break.
     

    So really are you paying a premium for the below mentioned stuff and a roll cage + blacked out rims. They might as well called it the M3 GT3.

     


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Atzporsche:

    Im not a fan at all. I am the only one who finds this thing a really cheap and poseur. I mean, 6 point harness, fire ex., racing helmet inc. and then that front lip. Ok it must be a serious track monster... oh wait how much does it weight 1500kg. Give me a break.
     

    So really are you paying a premium for the below mentioned stuff and a roll cage + blacked out rims. They might as well called it the M3 GT3.

     

     

    Wait for some lap times on Nurburgring and then we will see if this is just a poseur car. Smiley 7:40


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    Hmmm M3 GTS - Looks like its an M (GT)3(RS) to me... Total steal on a 997 even colour looks like its paint to sample Porsche RS orange!

    That spoiler is just plain silly - I love big rear wings but that one just looks wrong. They havnt even taken off the normal boot lip mini-spoiler.


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    So BMW says they will match GT3.2 NBR lap time with same HP but much higher weight (200kg)?

    Impressive if true.


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    Given it cost more than the GT3, it must be faster than the Porsche...or BMW is unrealistic about trying to sell these cars!


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    It`s an extreme car... I like it...

    It`s good that BMW make this evolution`s on M`s... It offers more possibilities for extreme sport car fans... we have GT3 RS, Scuderias, Even the new F458 is un extreme car... and others...

    If the M3 GTS makes a lap time on Nurburgring near on the GT3 RS (7.33) then i´ll be more fan of this car.


    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    WAY:

    Given it cost more than the GT3, it must be faster than the Porsche...or BMW is unrealistic about trying to sell these cars!

     The BMW costs 115,000 Euros with all the equipment in the photos and the GT3 (non-RS) cost 117,000 with no options.  Also, this car weighs very close to a GT3 (a typical GT3 with options on scales will come quite close to 1,490kg).  Porsche has a way of bending the truth with its weights, while BMW is usually very honest with those numbers.


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    Anyone know the song on the video?


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    Grant:
    pride355:

    I'm also surprised that for additional 30 hp, Motorsport has to increase displacement by 400 cc.

    Makes the new GT3RS look even more impressive by making the same power with 600cc less - let's hope the motor makes more in reality.  On Jalopnik, they said it would have 470hp...

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    You can bet the gt3rs doesn't have the punch (torque) this car will. They both weigh the same but the V8>F6.Smiley


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    Shakal:
    • 1490 kg (3278 lbs)

     

    Is this DIN or EU weight? Smiley


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    Carlos from Spain:
    Shakal:
    • 1490 kg (3278 lbs)

     

    Is this DIN or EU weight? Smiley

    DIN


    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Shakal:
    Carlos from Spain:
    Shakal:
    • 1490 kg (3278 lbs)

     

    Is this DIN or EU weight? Smiley

    DIN

     

    Then that means it weighs 100kg more than a GT3 (1395Kg DIN / 1470 EU).


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Carlos from Spain:
    Shakal:
    Carlos from Spain:
    Shakal:
    • 1490 kg (3278 lbs)

     

    Is this DIN or EU weight? Smiley

    DIN

     

    Then that means it weighs 100kg more than a GT3 (1395Kg DIN / 1470 EU).

     

    Yes, rumours were correct: Its about 100 kg lighter than regular M3... So this lap time (7:40) on Nurburgring is very impressive if its true, soon we will know...

     

    Full press release:

    Ready to Go – also on the Road: The BMW M3 GTS.

    * 05.11.2009
    * Press Release

    Munich. BMW M GmbH now offers a truly outstanding performer based on the BMW M3 Coupé also ideal for Clubsport events – exactly the right car for the truly discerning customer demanding the very utmost in terms of power and performance. The BMW M3 GTS is largely hand-built by the most skilled craftsmen at BMW M GmbH as a perfectly harmonised package of outstanding modifications, with production exclusively to the customer’s personal order. Focused on motorsport, the modifications comprise both the drivetrain, the suspension and the body of the car, as well as its interior. Market launch of the

    BMW M3 GTS will be in spring 2010.
    Offering this truly exclusive model for the genuine motorsport enthusiast, BMW M GmbH is continuing a great tradition introduced on former generations of the BMW M3. Once again, the outstanding sports potential of the BMW M3 is being consistently enhanced and upgraded to an even higher level, the customer benefiting from the Company’s wide range of know-how in the development and production of racing cars. Through its race-oriented modifications enhancing both performance and safety, the BMW M3 GTS is ready to go in Clubsport events on the track and comes with the option for homologation on the road. So that the driver is able to make his way to the race track in the very same car he will use for racing.


    Consistent lightweight technology.
    Consistent lightweight construction, adjustable aerodynamic units, an increase in engine size and output on the V8 high-speed power unit and suspension technology meeting all the requirements of motorsport – all this gives the BMW M3 GTS a top position among high-performance cars built for Clubsport racing. Unladen weight according to the DIN standard is less than 1,500 kg (3,300 lb), the lightweight body comes with special mounts for six-point seat belts and a rollcage fitted behind the B-pillar.

    Through its design and construction, the materials used and its special equipment, the BMW M3 GTS is a lightweight performer all the way, offering a genuine motorsport driving experience in every respect. In addition to the carbon fibre roof already featured as standard on the BMW M3, weight is consistently optimised by features such as silencers made of titanium, the extra-light centre console and door linings, the omission of rear seats, automatic air conditioning and an audio system, as well as sound insulation tailored specifically to this very special model.


    V8 high-speed power unit: derived from motorsport, optimised for motorsport.
    The eight-cylinder power unit of the BMW M3 GTS enlarged in size to 4.4 litres and boosted in output to some 450 hp boasts construction principles and technical details carried over directly from motorsport. A supreme surge of ongoing power throughout a wide range of engine speed characterises the outstanding performance of the V8 with its high-speed concept. The features typical of a motorsport engine include the crankcase made of a special aluminium-silicon alloy and constructed in bedplate design, individual throttle butterflies, anti-knock sensors with ion flow technology, and, wet sump oil supply optimised for supreme driving dynamics.


    Seven-speed M DKG Drivelogic with race-bred gearshift.
    Power is transmitted in the BMW M3 GTS by the M double-clutch gearbox with Drivelogic also available as an option on the regular production model. This seven-speed M DKG Drivelogic gearbox follows a principle also developed for motorsport, shifting gears without the slightest interruption of engine power. The transmission was developed specifically for a particularly powerful high-speed engine and offers ideal qualities for truly dynamic acceleration at all times. The gearshift characteristics on the seven-speed M DKG Drivelogic have been tailored specifically to the modified power unit of the BMW M3 GTS and the driver is able to shift gears both through the selector lever on the centre console and through special M shift paddles on the steering wheel.


    High-performance suspension with purpose-built brakes.
    To convey the supreme power of the engine to the road in equally supreme style even under the most extreme conditions, the BMW M3 GTS comes with suspension technology likewise derived from the highest realms of motorsport. While the suspension is based on the front and rear axle of the BMW M3 Coupé, the rear axle subframe is bolted firmly in position and the suspension features adjustment threads on the dampers for individual variation of the inbound and rebound strokes.

    The high-performance brake system of the BMW M3 GTS features fixed callipers with six pistons up front and four pistons on the rear wheels. The race-oriented set-up of DSC Dynamic Stability Control naturally considers the supreme dynamic potential of the BMW M3 GTS. Different-sized tyres front and rear running on 19-inch M light-alloy Competition rims in double-spoke design ensure optimum transmission of acceleration and brake forces to the road.


    Aerodynamics: optimised components with variable geometry.
    To optimise the flow of air and adjust the car’s downforce as required, the BMW M3 GTS comes with a race-oriented front air dam and rear wing. This allows appropriate adjustment of the car’s aerodynamic qualities in motorsport and for other purposes, tailored to the specific profile of the respective track. The air guidance units on the front air dam, for example, may be varied in their geometry, just like the position of the rear wing based on the wing already featured on the BMW 320si raced in the WTCC World Touring Car Championship.

    Exterior features such as the BMW kidney grille and the gills at the side finished in chrome on the regular BMW M3 come in special dark eloxy-plated chrome on the BMW M3 GTS.


    Special interior for supreme performance and safety.
    The interior of the BMW M3 GTS clearly reflects the focus on supreme performance and safety on the race track. The interior features include classic bucket seats, interior trim in carbon and an M steering wheel finished in alcantara. The door and side panels at the rear also come in alcantara, while six-point seat belts delivered with the car for subsequent use, a fire extinguisher and preparation for an emergency-off switch in motorsport round off the wide range of special features inside the car.




    For questions, please contact:
    Dirk Arnold, Head of Product Communications BMW Automobiles
    Phone: +59 89 382 12325, Fax +49 89 382 20626


    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    WELL,

    When I started this thread after seeing the photos of white M3 that is tested on the Ring, I was expecting an M3 variant that is closer to CSL than this track ready car.

    For me this car is more closer to GT3 RS than CSL that is more like GT3, if we speak in terms of Porsche.

    I think it is a good achievment from M Division  

    After the M models of X5/X6, I started to think that M is getting softer and letter M starts to stand for "Marketing" instead of "Motorsport". However, as long as they keep releasing new models like M3 GTS, and be loyal to its roots, I don't mind about M models of SUVs.

    However, I find this GTS a little bit expensive for my budget. I was expecting something around 80K euro (without VAT) in Germany which is already 50% more expensive than regular M3.

    I hope, we'll have something like Competition pack. or club sport pack. with these wheels, seats, interior.

    I also find the orange color little bit too flashy. It is nice, but there should be white, silver and black colors, too.

    I believe this car can achieve 7:40 in the ring since E46 M3 CSL did it in 7:50 with 100 less hp . At that time, which was is 2003, M3 was on par with GT3 in terms of power but weighted 100 kg more BUT it was faster by 4 sec.

    So one should not underestimate the capabilities of an M car, especially if it is tuned for track. We'll have the answer of this question soon but in the mean time, well done to BMW


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    pride355:

     

    I believe this car can achieve 7:40 in the ring since E46 M3 CSL did it in 7:50 with 100 less hp . At that time, which was is 2003, M3 was on par with GT3 in terms of power but weighted 100 kg more BUT it was faster by 4 sec.

    So one should not underestimate the capabilities of an M car, especially if it is tuned for track. We'll have the answer of this question soon but in the mean time, well done to BMW

     

    The M3 CSL performed very well, but one has to consider the tires used (996.1 GT3 used regular street tires, not a Cup variant as the CSL). Apart from that, weight was pretty much the same. Still, the CSL was a gorgeous car. Smiley


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    New video:

     


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    This video is fantastic and the sound of the car is impressive. I don't like the wing. it doesn't quite fit the car IMO. 


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    Gauss:

    This video is fantastic and the sound of the car is impressive. I don't like the wing. it doesn't quite fit the car IMO. 


    Me either, but I don't like the rear wing on 997.2 GT3 RS either.

    However, the car looks very nice Smiley


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    That Video is exceptionally  done!

    By watching it I got that same exhilarated  feeling I get when watching movies with epic battles accompanied by great film music!


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    Re: A NEW HOPE for E92 M3 CSL !!

    it was posing in angles at which you see the fire exstinguisher a little too much. I was hoping for more track driving. Instead, we just see 3 drifts in bullet time and some wheel spin... The driver isn't even wearing a helmet or suit which leads me to believe his is posing


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    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


     
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