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    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    fritz:
    JoeRockhead:

    That car is grossly over-powered and/or under-handled. But, no BS electronics; it's just a front engined, rear driven ass kicker. If they could get all of that power to the ground and stop sliding in the corners it would be in the low teens easily.

    Sadly, it's the BS electronics which play a large part in enabling other brands to get all that power to the ground and stop sliding in the corners. 

    True. The double-clutch transmissions in the GT-R and the SLS are probably worth a couple of seconds too.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Congrats to the Corvette team for such a great lap time, constantly striving to improve their cars, as well as provide value to the consumer.  Also congrats to their win at Le Mans.  That was one of the best races I have seen in many years, hope all those who suffered such horrific crashes are OK.  It was carnage all over the place.

    GM and Corvette Team....keep doing what you are doing!  Opinions will eventually change and they will come!

    And btw...any 600+ hp production car is going to be a handful.  You can't compare the dynamic handling charateristics of a 350hp car vs. 600+ hp car for example.  Usually when I hear the terms refined, precise, provides good feedback...it usually means the car is slow and the magazine is trying to write something nice about it.  Fast is fast.  The Z06 and ZR1 are simply NOT for the novice driver (but then probably neither is a GT2 or Lp640).  As noted by previous converts, these cars reward talented drivers with track experience.  Those looking for a mild mannered sports car focused on things other than going fast, should probably look elsewhere.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    JoeRockhead:

    That car is grossly over-powered and/or under-handled. But, no BS electronics; it's just a front engined, rear driven ass kicker. If they could get all of that power to the ground and stop sliding in the corners it would be in the low teens easily.


    Ummm, they do get it to the ground.  Please watch the following and it will help educate you.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    The ZR1 is awesome!!!


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    JoeRockhead:

    That car is grossly over-powered and/or under-handled. But, no BS electronics; it's just a front engined, rear driven ass kicker. If they could get all of that power to the ground and stop sliding in the corners it would be in the low teens easily.

     They could easily do that. it's just not their goal. They want to have a liveable street car not a car like the ACR that spits your kidneys out on the way to the store. I mean really imagine if GM went to the lengths the Porsche/Ferrari/Viper go to to be fast. Lets put center locking lightweight wheels on a ZR1, road race suspension, throw out the carpet/padding, throw in a roll cage, dual clutch, PDKish tranny etc etc... Other cars would literally be shamed if they did. They should really be thankful GM has not adopted all that because it would be years before the others could catch up. Oh yeah thats right they already did adopt that stuff. It's called LeMan and they won, again. The ZR1 rules, and with less effort, cost  and sacrifice. 


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    355Spider:

    They could easily do that. it's just not their goal. They want to have a liveable street car not a car like the ACR that spits your kidneys out on the way to the store. I mean really imagine if GM went to the lengths the Porsche/Ferrari/Viper go to to be fast. Lets put center locking lightweight wheels on a ZR1, road race suspension, throw out the carpet/padding, throw in a roll cage, dual clutch, PDKish tranny etc etc... Other cars would literally be shamed if they did.


    First of all, posting such a laptime in itself is an achievement. The time is about the same as the GT2 RS´ and hardly matched by any other car. It also shows how much of an improvement different tires and, presumably, a few tweaks here and there make.

    The current model is impressive in terms of performance and on par with competition, in that regard it certainly gained a lot of credibility in recent years. Just not sure whether I´d see its little quirks as characterful or annoying.

    How do you rate your ZR1 in comparison to your previous Z06? Very curious about steering feedback, shifter precision and chassis stiffness.

    Smiley


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Ferdie:
    355Spider:

    They could easily do that. it's just not their goal. They want to have a liveable street car not a car like the ACR that spits your kidneys out on the way to the store. I mean really imagine if GM went to the lengths the Porsche/Ferrari/Viper go to to be fast. Lets put center locking lightweight wheels on a ZR1, road race suspension, throw out the carpet/padding, throw in a roll cage, dual clutch, PDKish tranny etc etc... Other cars would literally be shamed if they did.


    First of all, posting such a laptime in itself is an achievement. The time is about the same as the GT2 RS´ and hardly matched by any other car. It also shows how much of an improvement different tires and, presumably, a few tweaks here and there make.

    The current model is impressive in terms of performance and on par with competition, in that regard it certainly gained a lot of credibility in recent years. Just not sure whether I´d see its little quirks as characterful or annoying.

    How do you rate your ZR1 in comparison to your previous Z06? Very curious about steering feedback, shifter precision and chassis stiffness.

    Smiley

     The other thing GM leaves on the table is another easy 100hp they could tune into the car. A pulley and tune yields 100 pretty easily. 

    Yeah it definitely has it's quirks. The biggest is the interior of course. It's crazy why they wouldn't just put the new CTS-V interior in it. Couldn't cost that much more.

    I really didn't expect to like the ZR1 much more than my Z06 but it really is like driving a whole different car. It's much better in just about every way. The steering feedback hasn't changed. It's no Scud but it's good enough. The chassis feels great to me. For the street the suspension is great. I have not been to the track with mine yet. I am set to attend GMs free Spring Mountains ZR1 course soon so i'll have more input then. Overall the compromises they make to bring performance like this to the market are pretty good. The suspension works well in all modes. It's very comfy one minute and riding on rails the next. 


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Thanks for your response. I am very curious, which direction GM is about to take with the nex-generation Corvette in terms of dimensions, technology and components.

    It will be interesting to see the performance of the new McLaren in comparison as this car will be the only other true challenger for the Ring laptime with adequate poise on the public road, yet technically different.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Ferdie:

    Thanks for your response. I am very curious, which direction GM is about to take with the nex-generation Corvette in terms of dimensions, technology and components.

    It will be interesting to see the performance of the new McLaren in comparison as this car will be the only other true challenger for the Ring laptime with adequate poise on the public road, yet technically different.

     Yeah i'm thinking the McLaren is going to wipe the floor with it. I'm sure it will be quite a bit faster. McLaren doesn't lie about their stats like Ferrari. 

     


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Ferdie:

    Thanks for your response. I am very curious, which direction GM is about to take with the nex-generation Corvette in terms of dimensions, technology and components.

    It will be interesting to see the performance of the new McLaren in comparison as this car will be the only other true challenger for the Ring laptime with adequate poise on the public road, yet technically different.


    Don't expect a revolutinary leap in technology. Do expect an increase in interior refinement. Ed Wellburn (GM Global Head of Design) says he's heard the complaints about the interior and has taken note.

    Ed has also said to expect the dimensions of the next Vette to be a bit smaller and svelter. He said the "butt" on this generation has gotten too wide and needs to be brought in. We'll probably have a narrower and slightly shorter car with the same wheelbase.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    I concur with 355Spider and Heist. Also, specifically about comparisons to the McLaren, we have to manage expectations a bit Smiley  Although the ZR1 price isn't what I would call low, it's still a fair bit cheaper than the MP4, and so something's gotta give somewhere... (and I do understand Corvette owners are often the ones bringing in comparisons with much more expensive offerings haha)

    Do I wish Corvettes offered the same as McLaren? You bet! Am I happy Corvettes are cheaper so I can afford it? Oh yes Smiley

    Geoff


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    2001 Corolla LE - 0-60: Yes.

    2009 Corvette Z06 - 0-60: Ooooh yes.


    Re: 2012 Corvette ZR1 Runs the Nürburgring in 7:19.63

    Heist:
    Don't expect a revolutinary leap in technology. Do expect an increase in interior refinement. Ed Wellburn (GM Global Head of Design) says he's heard the complaints about the interior and has taken note.

    Ed has also said to expect the dimensions of the next Vette to be a bit smaller and svelter. He said the "butt" on this generation has gotten too wide and needs to be brought in.


    Thanks. I have read the comments on the other thread and found them very interesting. Not sure whether I want the Corvette to adopt a "European" styling as it clearly has its individual character. Cars such as the Corvette or Viper are not subject to criticism because of their technical layout but because of their shortcomings, if one sees their quirks as that. I believe that they can do much better as they provide a near-perfect concept of a sportscar. Lightweight, perfect weight distribution, low center of gravity, powerful yet compact engine, great sound, dry-sump lubrification, all of these aspects are perfect yet the steering, gear change or suspension is not on par with competitors.

    Very curious how the next generation will look like, the new engine-configuration is certainly due to ecological reasons and less so technological advantages. If it weren´t for historical reasons, the engineers would probably love to go for a turbocharged V6 engine as well. The new one will most certainly not be any lighter than the current one.


     
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