Crown

Board: Other Sports Cars Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    S3 better than a Mini JCW?

    I'm not sure, I traded my old daily driver, a 5 year old Cooper S for a new S3 hatch last year and yes the S3 is quick rides better and has better sat nav and comfort there is a certain something missing, compounded by the fact that the family don't think the S3 is cool

    The steering isn't great and the S3 just doesn't have the fun factor that the Mini had, so I can see myself trading the S3 back for a Mini JCW now we can order a manual car

     


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    Jonathanbr:

    S3 better than a Mini JCW?

    I'm not sure, I traded my old daily driver, a 5 year old Cooper S for a new S3 hatch last year and yes the S3 is quick rides better and has better sat nav and comfort there is a certain something missing, compounded by the fact that the family don't think the S3 is cool

    The steering isn't great and the S3 just doesn't have the fun factor that the Mini had, so I can see myself trading the S3 back for a Mini JCW now we can order a manual car

     

    I never drove the new S3, so I can comment on performance numbers only.

    Yes, the new JCW is a lot of fun to drive but surprisingly mostly in the city or when you push it hard. The brake of the JCW is really good for a Mini, something I noticed immediately. The Steptronic is a real treat, using it in "S" mode together with the "S" mode for the engine, makes a perfect combo. The upshifts and downshifts come at perfect times, very good setup, I wish Porsche would offer the same with their Sport Plus setup (gears are kept too long, rev figure goes over 5000 rpm when it upshifts, even if you don't fully press the throttle). 

    Also interesting: The ESP setup. When in "S" mode, the ESP barely interferes, only the electronic "LSD" works and you can barely feel it in the steering wheel. I have winter tires on my car right now, so my observations maybe differ from the ones with summer tires but overall, I think the new Mini JCW has a very good setup, a setup the engineers put a lot of thought into it. Cannot comment on manual but truth to be told, I am happy to have Steptronic, especially for the city. It works so well, completely different to the automatic available in Mini cars so far.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    Are the brakes the same as the GP? Because those are the old 135i 6 piston brembos. I've always said that the brakes in my GP is one of the best OEM setup. For a car that barely weighs 1100kg, it was perhaps an overkill but hey, you can never have too much brake!


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    WAY:

    Are the brakes the same as the GP? Because those are the old 135i 6 piston brembos. I've always said that the brakes in my GP is one of the best OEM setup. For a car that barely weighs 1100kg, it was perhaps an overkill but hey, you can never have too much brake!

    I don't have a clue. The brake system is from Brembo as far as I heard. Also, I remember reading an article about the Mini JCW where it achieved a new record low braking distance, even compared to some sports cars.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    RC, how do you find the JCW's steering for feel and response? Are there any issues with torque steer?


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    There were 2 90 min programmes on BBC this week, "Building Cars Live"

    The shows concentrated on MINI's Cowley plant .. good fun, but also really showed how well thought out and built a MINI is.

    MINI plastics in my view are better and feel more expensive than the plastics used in 1 and 2 series BMWs.


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    sfo:

    RC, how do you find the JCW's steering for feel and response? Are there any issues with torque steer?

    Yes, there are issues but barely noticeable, especially considering the fact that I already have winter tires on the  car. The electronic LSD/dynamic traction control system seem to work well but do not expect wonders from a 231 hp front wheel drive car. It will be interesting to see how well it works with summer tires.

    I am also surprised that the car doesn't show much understeer but like I said before, I have winter tires right now and didn't have the chance (yet) to drive the car at the limit. I will do that as soon as the car hits 1000 km (it has 630 km now). 

    The steering feel and response is very direct but I mentioned before that it feels a tiny bit detached from the road surface, it is difficult to explain because it is a direct drive feel but as if there is something between the tires and the road surface. This setup has been very likely chosen to reduce torque steer but the steering feel itself is sporty and direct. I can feel almost every single little stone on the road in my 991 GTS steering, not so with the Mini JCW steering.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    RC:
    sfo:

    RC, how do you find the JCW's steering for feel and response? Are there any issues with torque steer?

    Yes, there are issues but barely noticeable, especially considering the fact that I already have winter tires on the  car. The electronic LSD/dynamic traction control system seem to work well but do not expect wonders from a 231 hp front wheel drive car. It will be interesting to see how well it works with summer tires.

    I am also surprised that the car doesn't show much understeer but like I said before, I have winter tires right now and didn't have the chance (yet) to drive the car at the limit. I will do that as soon as the car hits 1000 km (it has 630 km now). 

    The steering feel and response is very direct but I mentioned before that it feels a tiny bit detached from the road surface, it is difficult to explain because it is a direct drive feel but as if there is something between the tires and the road surface. This setup has been very likely chosen to reduce torque steer but the steering feel itself is sporty and direct. I can feel almost every single little stone on the road in my 991 GTS steering, not so with the Mini JCW steering.

    sounds like they have improved this Generation JCW torque steer avoidance.

    the last gen JCW I drove has the same detached steering feel you mention. Very pointy, yes. Feel, no. Synthetic, yes.

     


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    Synthetic, yes, this is a good description. kiss Similar to the first 991 steering feel when they introduced the electric steering. Now they (Porsche) have improved it to perfection, the 991 GTS steering feels really highly analogue and extremely direct. I love it.

    What I really like about the new Mini JCW is the small size (kind of) but the much higher level of "maturity" compared to the previous generation(s). I would not get a less powerful version and I would always order the options the car has, both really enhance the driving experience. Wouldn't have been happy with the Mini One, now I am 100% sure (thanks god I listened to my wife this time ).

    A few more details:
     

    HUD: Interesting concept (with that plastic screen, apparently the Mini windshield is too curved to use a "direct" projection) but the information displayed could be a tiny bit bigger and more detailed. I miss a boot pressure or oil temperature gauge in the HUD. Actually, the Mini JCW doesn't seem to have an oil temperature or boost pressure gauge at all. You can display the water temperature through the Mini Connect app though, even power and torque. Adding the chrono package would change that but considering where the chrono package resides, I'm not so sure it is a very good option.

    Harman Kardon sound system: Highly recommended! Not very good but slightly better (more base available) than the Porsche BOSE system. 

    Navigation system: Basically the BMW navigation. Works very well.

    Mini Connect/Office: Works well, needs an USB cable to connect (doesn't work through BT, only BT audio is supported). Interesting functions, for example you can use Rhapsody (or other supported music services like Amazon Prime Music) through the Mini navigation command centre, incl. searches. Nice.

    Steptronic: Best automatic transmission I ever encountered in a small car. If you set the Steptronic to "S" mode and choose the "S" driving mode as well, you get a perfect (honestly!) throttle/shifting response and a very direct steering feel. Very good setup, the engineers put a lot of work into that.

    LED headlights: Wow, best light ever on such a small compact. Amazing. Highly recommended!!!

    Chassis: Stiff but still (almost) comfortable. Side roll is quite limited, which is nice. Doesn't feel as go-kart like as my 991 GTS but almost...

    Sound (engine/exhaust): Inside the car, you can hear a louder but typical 4-cyl. sound, outside the car the sound is a bit more noticeable and the exhaust makes those crackle/spitting noises when in S mode. Sounds OK but not spectacular but OK enough not to be annoyed...or bored, which is good.

    Quality (interior): The quality look and feel is impressive for such a small car, better than BMW's 1 and 2 series for sure. Only downside: When driving on a bad road, you can hear some noises from the material "moving". My 991 GTS is much better in that (was to be expected) but still, very impressive quality for such a small car. Mini has matured.

    Visibility: Amazing visibility from the inside, a very good car for the city or for older people/beginners.

    Rear view camera: Excellent quality, much better than the quality on my 991 GTS. What is wrong with you, Porsche? enlightened

    What do I not like too much?

    Well...the fuel gauge for example. Too playful, too gimmicky. A simple and classic fuel gauge would have been nicer.

    I also miss a gauge for oil temperature and boost pressure. C'mon, Mini...you can do better. 

    The engine cover also looks boring, when you open the engine hood, you are expecting something nice, something worthy of the name JCW but all you get is a simple plastic engine cover with a barely noticeable Twin Turbo Power lettering (not even sure what this "twin turbo" power means since the car has a mono turbo as far as I know).

    I also don't know why the Mini JCW comes with 205 tires, they just don't look good on the car. 245s rear, 225s front, best look in my opinion (or 225s all around).


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 2015 Mini Clubman and Countryman

    RC:

    Steptronic: Best automatic transmission I ever encountered in a small car. If you set the Steptronic to "S" mode and choose the "S" driving mode as well, you get a perfect (honestly!) throttle/shifting response and a very direct steering feel. Very good setup, the engineers put a lot of work into that.

    that's quite an achievement

    autos and small cars/engines generally don't pair comfortably


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017) 11/15/18 10:20 AM
    TB993tt
    402074 5188
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA 11/15/18 11:53 AM
    RCA
    319817 1957
    Porsche Sticky 992 (Next 911 generation 2019/2020) 11/15/18 3:14 PM
    SportCarGroup
    265675 2934
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 11/7/18 2:43 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    211001 1077
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 11/4/18 5:39 PM
    Topspeed
    189740 2673
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 11/15/18 12:01 PM
    RCA
    120632 2395
    AMG Sticky Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis) 11/15/18 12:15 PM
    RCA
    31850 316
    Porsche Sticky Paint protection film 9/25/18 6:14 PM
    throt
    13948 121
    Porsche Sticky Child seats in a 991 6/18/18 8:51 PM
    Monkey
    13262 31
    Porsche 991 GT3 RS 1/9/18 1:43 PM
    Kimi
    522196 5816
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S 4/3/18 9:15 AM
    KresoF1
    483121 4254
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 9/13/18 10:12 AM
    RCA
    278320 2589
    Porsche Cayman GT4 11/15/18 1:34 PM
    Porsche-Jeck
    262857 2608
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S 1/23/18 12:27 AM
    RCA
    191397 1074
    Ferrari 488 GTB/GTS 11/13/18 5:52 AM
    KMM
    189067 1734
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 10/29/18 5:13 PM
    reginos
    178384 3212
    Porsche Boxster Spyder (981) 8/31/18 10:25 AM
    WAY
    142615 757
    Others Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016 model) - Review (updated Feb 13th 2017) 11/1/18 6:13 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    141438 2234
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016) 1/6/18 10:41 PM
    Wonderbar
    128118 1284
    Ferrari Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor 5/22/18 9:16 PM
    RCA
    111545 789
    Others VW caught cheating emissions tests 5/3/18 7:52 PM
    CGX car nut
    106425 871
    Porsche Porsche Mission E - the future of Porsche? 11/6/18 12:58 PM
    RCA
    83905 1119
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 10/13/18 9:50 PM
    RCA
    66515 672
    Porsche UPDATES: 2018 Porsche Cayenne 2/6/18 2:13 PM
    RCA
    57119 423
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models 11/3/18 11:09 AM
    bluelines
    46581 477
    Others Tesla Roadster 11/14/18 12:48 PM
    lukestern
    42950 1395
    Others Tesla Model X Thread Closed 2/23/18 3:41 PM
    RCA
    42793 1122
    AMG AMG GT R 1/26/18 7:19 AM
    GoHardGT3RS
    41218 597
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Turbo S Exclusive Series (2017) 11/14/18 11:25 AM
    RCA
    38966 637
    Lambo Aventador and SV 10/16/18 12:50 AM
    Topspeed
    38812 465
    289 items found, displaying 1 to 30.