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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Lzw-EO_yY

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    watch this.

    Not sure...Smiley


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    throt

     

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    throt:

    watch this.

    Not sure...Smiley


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    throt

     

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    Impossible...or maybe that 911 Turbo S was actually a 991.1 GT3 RS. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    throt:

    watch this.

    Not sure...Smiley


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    throt

     

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    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

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    Impossible...or maybe that 911 Turbo S was actually a 991.1 GT3 RS. Smiley

    The UK guys over here are buying it.. No way, imo, too..

    Hahaha,,, .1RS, that would be about right..Smiley..


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    throt

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    "Porsche 911 GT3 review: the most involving 911 ever goes manual" (Car magazine)

    Link: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-911-gt3-2017-review/


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley

    It is white though Smiley Smiley


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    throt

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    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley

    I guess you skipped over the Headline then? Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:
    RC:

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley

    I guess you skipped over the Headline then? Smiley

    What do you expect from someone with paranoia? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    Grant:
    RC:

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley

    I guess you skipped over the Headline then? Smiley

    What do you expect from someone with paranoia? Smiley

    Here's a rolling start drag race with Manual GT3 and new 991.2 Turbo S Coupe (have to think much quicker than GTS Cab)....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nlH8qkgMtw


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:
    RC:
    Grant:
    RC:

    With manual, the 991.2 GT3 is as fast (straight line) as my 991.2 GTS Cab. Smiley

    I guess you skipped over the Headline then? Smiley

    What do you expect from someone with paranoia? Smiley

    Here's a rolling start drag race with Manual GT3 and new 991.2 Turbo S Coupe (have to think much quicker than GTS Cab)....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nlH8qkgMtw


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    This is the same video we just discussed earlier. Smiley Impossible. 

    The 991.2 GT3 with manual does 0-100 kph in 3.8 seconds and 0-200 kph in 12.1 seconds as far as I remember. Same numbers are valid for the 991.2 Carrera GTS Cab. Smiley 

    The PDK version of the 991.2 GT3 does 0-100 kph in 3.6 seconds and 0-200 kph in 11.1 seconds, still no chance against a 991.2 Turbo S. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Rolling start does eliminate the launch advantage of the Turbo S, so that could have an effect...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:

    Rolling start does eliminate the launch advantage of the Turbo S, so that could have an effect...

    Not at all. 991.2 Turbo S is way faster from let we say 60km/h to 160km/h then 991.2 GT3 PDK. Not to mention manual version. Something is clearly wrong with this video. If the 991.2 Turbo S driver used Sport + mode it would kill GT3 without any problem. Even latest AMG GT-S is faster on the roll then 991.2 GT3 PDK. So...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Ok, maybe driver issue then...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:

    Ok, maybe driver issue then...

    Like those clever boys who always try to do drag races shifting manually (PDK cars). Dumbest idea ever. Smiley

    I tried my R8 for example, from 100 to 200 kph, almost half a second slower using manual and I tend to believe that I actually know the shifting points quite well on my car. Surprisingly, Performance mode DRY is also slower than Dynamic mode (a less sporty driving program), probably because of slip, not quite sure why. Up to 0.4 seconds (similar to manual vs. DSG) slower. Weird.

    Bottom line is: If you want to win a drag race, do not shift manually on a PDK/DSG car.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    Bottom line is: If you want to win a drag race, do not shift manually on a PDK/DSG car.

    Some would say manually shifting PDK on a track will also slow you down (Auto mode fastest)...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:
    RC:
    Bottom line is: If you want to win a drag race, do not shift manually on a PDK/DSG car.

    Some would say manually shifting PDK on a track will also slow you down (Auto mode fastest)...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

     

    It is. Porsche's logic programming for the PDK on track duty is THAT GOOD!

    Out of habits or feel, one might want to grab a higher or lower gear earlier than the PDK does by itself, but that's not the fastest way. Especially on braking, PDK is programmed to do all downshifting at almost the very end. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Smiley When driving with the "pack", I always keep the car in auto mode. Don't want to be slower... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    So my car is finally at status V300, meaning completed. Hopefully I will be getting my Viper Green Touring soon, before all the other green RS siblings crowd the roads


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    M3ike:

    So my car is finally at status V300, meaning completed. Hopefully I will be getting my Viper Green Touring soon, before all the other green RS siblings crowd the roads

    Congrats! Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Jethro Bovingdon on Twitter...

    "Favourite snippet from Geneva. 2/3rds of GT3s in the US are being spec’d with one of these"

    Link: https://mobile.twitter.com/JethroBovingdon/status/971362727334727681


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Cool my pdk one will be v rare! indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Actually I believe it is less than 50% which in this day is still quite surprising.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Grant:

    Rolling start does eliminate the launch advantage of the Turbo S, so that could have an effect...

    A couple of things. 3.8 sec to 100 kph is a retarded time. Back when my old 997 S with manual came out in 2005 it was tested at 3.9. 

    The rolling start takes care of 90% of the PDK advantage. 

    The manual shifts, once moving, are lightning fast. Watch the manual car in the video and watch for the car losing much speed during shifts. You don’t.  

    With all those revs you stay in a lower gear much longer which gives you a huge mechanical advantage. 

    Weight weight weight.  And no 4 wheel drive which is reduces drive train loss. Made up for by rolling start. 

    The standing start is certainly the realm of the Turbo and 4 WD Care with PDK and launch control. Most races have one standing start. 

    Bottom line is I trust that GT3 slowly walked away from a perfectly good Turbo. I also know the Turbo driver had to do little to go fast and the GT3 driver working the clutch knows his shit. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I went from a Turbo S (cab 991.1) to a GT3. From a stand still no comparison. From a roll the GT3 isn’t far off a TTS. Then my GT3 is a rare pdk one. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    I have been driving for almost a month and I find the car very impressive.  Obviously not pushing too hard for break in, and letting my wife drive a lot to better modulate the accelerator.  The 4.0L is very tractable in traffic and PDK-S in the .2 does not immediately jump to 7th in auto as it did in my .1. There is enough mechanical sound at idle to let one know this is something special but not nearly as loud and (for me) ultimately tiresome as the idle sounds in the .1. The .2 seems to do Jekyll and Hyde better than my .1 did and that is a plus for me. I did a couple of projects.  I got another set of GT3 wheels fitted them w/ the Cup2s that came w/ the car for track use, and put N0 SuperSport 4S for my daily driving.  I also swapped out all the satin black pieces for carbon fiber from DB Carbon. It's always a matter of taste but the satin black pieces were just too flat looking for my tastes.  I also got the washer nozzles and Sirius antenna done in body color.  Overall I think I picked a winner this time around.

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Nice, Dave!


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    having just spent 4 track days in the car, the pdk gear ratios are still too wide and tall when referenced to Ferrari 488  ratios., so little improvement there since the Strad in 2004.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Touring vs Carrera T : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7tHGD9GZ_c


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Leawood911:
    Grant:

    Rolling start does eliminate the launch advantage of the Turbo S, so that could have an effect...

    A couple of things. 3.8 sec to 100 kph is a retarded time. Back when my old 997 S with manual came out in 2005 it was tested at 3.9. 

     Maybe 4.9? Smiley AMS tested the 997 Carrera S at 4.8 seconds.

    The rolling start takes care of 90% of the PDK advantage. 

    Not really in my opinion.

    The manual shifts, once moving, are lightning fast. Watch the manual car in the video and watch for the car losing much speed during shifts. You don’t.  

    With all those revs you stay in a lower gear much longer which gives you a huge mechanical advantage. 

    Weight weight weight.  And no 4 wheel drive which is reduces drive train loss. Made up for by rolling start. 

    The standing start is certainly the realm of the Turbo and 4 WD Care with PDK and launch control. Most races have one standing start. 

    Bottom line is I trust that GT3 slowly walked away from a perfectly good Turbo. I also know the Turbo driver had to do little to go fast and the GT3 driver working the clutch knows his shit. 

    Not possible for a 991.2 GT3 to outrun a 991.2 Turbo S, not even from a rolling start. Sorry.


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