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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    RC, any new news on the 992?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    RC, any new news on the 992?

    Paris...this year...nothing new. Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    RC:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    RC, any new news on the 992?

    Paris...this year...nothing new. Smiley

    RC I talked to FSW at Long Beach 3 weeks ago.

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard?


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Guest:
    RC:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    RC, any new news on the 992?

    Paris...this year...nothing new. Smiley

    RC I talked to FSW at Long Beach 3 weeks ago.

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard?

    Must be the last, last, last NA then. Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    he last hinted the next gt3 would be turbo.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    curious what the else the Autocar article says and the "scoops" other than hybrid, potential EV, etc.  –– it's hard to find the magazine here in the states (and becoming much harder to find magazines in general) ...

    I was able to see a paragraph of the article and it said that the 992 would debut at the LA autoshow and not the Paris autoshow as has been mentioned... is Porsche changing plans?


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    here's the link to the bit where i saw it... scroll down to "in this issue" autocar: 2nd May 2018

    https://pocketmags.com/us/autocar-magazine

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bvineyards:

    he last hinted the next gt3 would be turbo.

    When/where did he “hint” that?

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Rossi:
    Guest:

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard

    Must be the last, last, last NA then. SmileyInternal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  Smiley

     Internal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  

    Rumors will indicate less then 1000 cars due to the retirement of AP and only black  as choice of color .

    Strangely , everyone will want one  Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    This is becoming like the naming practice for PowerPoint presentations on which a team is collaborating (ClientPresentation, ClientPresnetationFinal, ClientPresentationFinalFinal, ...ReallyFinal, ...WeMeanItThisTimeFinal.)

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gnil:
    Rossi:
    Guest:

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard

    Must be the last, last, last NA then. SmileyInternal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  Smiley

     Internal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  

    Rumors will indicate less then 1000 cars due to the retirement of AP and only black  as choice of color .

    Strangely , everyone will want one  Smiley


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    That was really funny


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    996FourEss:
    Gnil:
    Rossi:
    Guest:

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard

    Must be the last, last, last NA then. SmileyInternal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  Smiley

     Internal calling is PRLNAE  ( Porsche Real Last Natural Aspired  Engine )  

    Rumors will indicate less then 1000 cars due to the retirement of AP and only black  as choice of color .

    Strangely , everyone will want one  Smiley


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    That was really funny

    Technically, an electric motor is naturally aspirated too.  


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Hi Guest,

    I'm not making it up. He said it within the last two months.  I'll try to find it and post.  


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Porsche to maintain 911 tradition 'as long as we can'

    2017 Porsche 911

    Porsche’s iconic 911 GT3 will remain true to its roots until emissions laws make it impossible to sell naturally aspirated sports cars to the public.

    Speaking with Drive at the Bathurst 12 Hour, Porsche’s head of GT motorsport and GT road cars, Dr Frank-Steffen Walliser, denied media reports the next-gen 911 will feature an all-turbocharged engine line-up mated to aluminium architecture shared with VW group cousins in Audi’s R8 and the Lamborghini Huracan.

    Speculation around the next 911 suggested it will feature a mid-mounted motor as opposed to the car’s traditional – and unique - layout with the engine positioned behind the rear axle.

    Walliser said the next-gen car’s engine is “in the right place... it’s in the back”, and that he hopes to retain screaming naturally aspirated power for the motorsport-inspired 911 GT3 and GT3 RS.

    “I would like to continue with it – it makes the car unique, it’s still a light engine,” Walliser says.

    “A normally aspirated engine still fits a sports car. You cannot achieve the same with a turbocharged engine.”

    The Porsche veteran, who led the engineering team behind Porsche’s 918 Hybrid supercar and its Nurburgring lap record-smashing 911 GT2 RS, says the decision to shun turbocharging for its most collectable sports cars “is mainly driven by emissions regulations” and that Porsche will hold out “as long as we can”.

    While the turbocharged, all-wheel drive 911 Turbo S may be much quicker in a straight line, lightweight driver’s cars such as the 911 R and GT3 RS remain more desirable among many enthusiasts.

    “The uniqueness comes from the normally aspirated engine,” Walliser said.

    “As long as we can do it, we will do it.”

    Porsche’s performance car guru said the new 911 GT3’s manual transmission option “matches very well” with the 9000rpm engine, and that it was chosen by 50 per cent of US customers, or one in four GT3s built for the rest of the world.

    While there are many challenges surrounding the production future of high-performance machines, Walliser is adamant “the last car ever built will be a sports car”.

    “I know it more precise - it’s a GT3 manual,” he said.

    Walliser’s department is putting the finishing touches on its 991.2-generation GT3 RS before signing off track-honed 718 Boxster and Cayman GT4 models developed by the same team that prepares race cars for Bathurst, Le Mans and beyond.

    With road car allocations oversubscribed around the world, the brand will push hard to increase sales of race cars including a next-generation 911 GT3 R and Cayman GT4 Clubsport set to hit racetracks in coming months.

    The motorsport boss sees plenty of potential in customer GT4 racing, even if he believes the twin-turbo V8 Mercedes-AMG GT and V10-powered Audi R8 machines do not meet the spirit of rules designed around more modest cars such as the Cayman, BMW M4 and Ford Mustang.

    “Some of the entries are beyond the line, over the edge. They are stripped down GT3s,” Walliser said.

    “We could put a GT2 RS on the track and silence everyone [but] this is not the idea – keep the costs under control. Low running costs make the sport interesting.”

    Having come desperately close to winning at Bathurst – Porsche was in the box seat before a serious crash cut the race short – Walliser’s team now turns its attention to the 24 Hours of Le Mans in June.

    There, the free-breathing 911 GT3 RSR and Chevrolet Corvette outfits will take on turbocharged rivals from Ford, Aston Martin, BMW and Ferrari. Walliser has been outspoken about Ford’s tactics at Le Mans, suggesting the American team skirted “balance of performance” rules by disguising its true performance in the lead up to the race.

    “My impression was that on the Ford side they do consider the 2016 Le Mans win not really as a win,” Walliser says.

    “There was a shadow over it.”

    Link: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/porsche-to-maintain-911-tradition--as-long-as-we-can--117255


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    It will be interesting to see how the N/A RSR will fare against the turbocharged rivals in LeMans. Maybe this will be a deciding moment for Porsche.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    I called it months ago and he confirmed it.

    Around 25% world wide take up rate for manual GT3s.

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:

    It will be interesting to see how the N/A RSR will fare against the turbocharged rivals in LeMans. Maybe this will be a deciding moment for Porsche.

    This year in IMSA:

    Daytona - woeful performance for both 911 RSRs

    Sebring - car 911 victory, car 912 did well

    Long Beach - strong performance for both cars; 912 had a suspension failure or would’ve won

    Mid-Ohio - car 912 victory, car 911 did well but got shuffled back in the pits (they ran 1-2 for awhile)

    WEC:

    Car 91 and 92 were strong at Spa but ultimately not victorious 

    They have 4 cars for Le Mans and every chance to be at the sharp end depending on BOP (would be no different with turbo)

     

     

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Thanks Guest. That’s interesting. wink


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Guest:
    RC:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    RC, any new news on the 992?

    Paris...this year...nothing new. Smiley

    RC I talked to FSW at Long Beach 3 weeks ago.

    He indicated that "992" GT3 will remain NA; what have you heard?

    They try everything to keep the n/a engine(s) alive in the GT models as long as possible, this is all I know. At some point however, this may not be possible anymore, unless they go the (mild) hybrid route (which is still a weight issue in the GT models).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    I believe the N/A engines will prevail for another or even two more generations (facelifts included).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:

    I believe the N/A engines will prevail for another or even two more generations (facelifts included).

    There is so much going on right now at VW Group, I wouldn't bet on anything right now. Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:

    I believe the N/A engines will prevail for another or even two more generations (facelifts included).


    So Ferrari made a big mistake in dumping the fabulous V8 of the 458... Smiley


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    Rossi:
    Gauss:

    I believe the N/A engines will prevail for another or even two more generations (facelifts included).


    So Ferrari made a big mistake in dumping the fabulous V8 of the 458... Smiley

    They could have waited for sure but I think they wanted more power instantly and this wasn't quite achievable with the 458 engine. Funny: They added a massive 100 horses (I think) to the successor of the 458 by switching from n/a to turbo but Porsche, at the same time, added ridiculous 30 horses with the 991.1 Turbo S (vs. 997.2 Turbo S) with a turbo engine. Ferrari gave Porsche a massive blow and McLaren added to this even further...

    I think Ferrari did the right thing here, the 488 engine is probably the best sounding and most responsive V8 Biturbo in a sportscar right now.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    The wish list is a different story than selling product. angry

    They wish to continue but emission law will stop them at some point. Question is when?

    The new gen GT3 will start test in around 2 months. Let us see what will be on the street...

    I have the last 4.0L NA but I hope they release an evolution of it as this type of engine is above any other  

     

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    the-missile:

    They wish to continue but emission law will stop them at some point.

    I don't think this has much to do with emission law. For the Carrera, Cayenne, Macan, etc. yes, but for the GT cars it has more with performance to do. Porsche cannot keep up with the competition when everyone else moves to turbo, hybrid, etc.

    People can talk about the last NA, how great it feels, that it is a keeper, etc. but once you are consistently overtaken by all other brands on a track then a turbo charged GT3 will be in high demand...

    The only alternative would be to massively shed weight by moving to lighter materials and ditch all the driving aids. I don't see that happen since the car would not only become much more expensive, but also undrivable for the masses.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Rossi:
    Gauss:

    I believe the N/A engines will prevail for another or even two more generations (facelifts included).


    So Ferrari made a big mistake in dumping the fabulous V8 of the 458... Smiley

    Yuuuge mistake Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    what Porsche achieves with only 520 HP NA is mindboggling.....


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    bluelines:
    the-missile:

    They wish to continue but emission law will stop them at some point.

    I don't think this has much to do with emission law. For the Carrera, Cayenne, Macan, etc. yes, but for the GT cars it has more with performance to do. Porsche cannot keep up with the competition when everyone else moves to turbo, hybrid, etc.

    People can talk about the last NA, how great it feels, that it is a keeper, etc. but once you are consistently overtaken by all other brands on a track then a turbo charged GT3 will be in high demand...

    The only alternative would be to massively shed weight by moving to lighter materials and ditch all the driving aids. I don't see that happen since the car would not only become much more expensive, but also undrivable for the masses.

    A very difficult task if they keep getting bigger and bigger angry


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    Gauss:
    bluelines:
    the-missile:

    They wish to continue but emission law will stop them at some point.

    I don't think this has much to do with emission law. For the Carrera, Cayenne, Macan, etc. yes, but for the GT cars it has more with performance to do. Porsche cannot keep up with the competition when everyone else moves to turbo, hybrid, etc.

    People can talk about the last NA, how great it feels, that it is a keeper, etc. but once you are consistently overtaken by all other brands on a track then a turbo charged GT3 will be in high demand...

    The only alternative would be to massively shed weight by moving to lighter materials and ditch all the driving aids. I don't see that happen since the car would not only become much more expensive, but also undrivable for the masses.

    A very difficult task if they keep getting bigger and bigger angry

    shed 100kg (I am conservative) from the body is not that difficult... but with their pricing strategy and incremental performance there is no solution after 1 generation.

    put all fenders in CF, the main body in CF, roof and doors...you will be above 200kg. but they don't want to go that route. nothing will be left after that. tune the electronics and give incremental hp to the engine and you have a business model for the next 20 years. Smiley no risk and profits guaranteed.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019)

    The turbocharged GT3 RS already exist. It is the GT2 RS... indecisionindecisionindecision


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