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    V8 or flat 6 in 997TT

    The Porsche salesman told me that 997TT will be delivered at the end of 2005 and the price almost same as 996TT S; however, I wonder it will use flat 6 or V8 and will it has 500bhp or more.

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    This issue was discussed many many times here. Porsche can produce V8 engine sport type car, it cant be called 911 though.

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    This is what confuse me since the salesman told me it's a V8 turbo engine from Cayanne. It really surprise me and I doubt about it.

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    Chris Lo said:
    This is what confuse me since the salesman told me it's a V8 turbo engine from Cayanne. It really surprise me and I doubt about it.



    Some salesmen will say anything.

    You would hope that fewer of those types would make it into Porsche showrooms but obviously some get through.

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    Flat 6, 100% sure.
    Tell you dealer he doesn't deserve to work for Porsche because he clearly hasn't heard this rumor from the factory.

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    It will be like that as long as they build the 911. You only have to read their advertising texts, i.e. The six-cylinder 'boxer' engine is a definitive element within the 911 concept.

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    The rumour of V8 actually surrounds a four door saloon car, to compete against the likes of Maserati Quattroporte and Mercedes CLS 55 AMG and BMW M5.

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    It's very easy to get 500hp (and even 700hp is possible) from the current 3.6L Turbo Flat-6, so there's no need for the V8 in the 997TT. It becomes more interesting for the non-turbo cars though...

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    I agree with Grant, as usual, the GT1 based turbocharged TT engine would be the least one in the model line to need a bigger engine to achieve higher power outputs. The boxster and carreras engines are running much closer to its ful potential.

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    No chance of a 997 Turbo at the end of 2005 (greeting to your salesman ) and it definetely gets a flat 6 engine.
    Power is rumored around 480 HP right now.

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    Only 480 HP? With the Viper exceeding 500 HP (the GTS is rumored to be closer to 600) and the Monza achieving 490 HP and a whole new line of super saloons exceeding 500 HP, plus the Vette Z06 with approx. 500 HP, how can it compete?

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    Here we go again...It wont compete since it will win since it way better.

    FYI during 60s already American muscle cars had 300hp and we are talking 40 years ago, and so?

    We talked about it over and over again here so read the rennteam and I aso suggest you take racing school lessons and read about driving techniques and then you will ask the right questions - how the suspension is build, where is the engine located, power weight proportions, brakes, steering structure etc. etc.

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    RC- tell everyone you know there it NEEDS to be the horsepower king, not to mention performance, the turbo ALWAYS has more power than the V8 ferrari...that would be sad if a small V8 from the red car company out pulls a TURBO p car...

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    I agree with RC, maybe end of '06 for the new Turbo!

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    Crash said:
    Only 480 HP? With the Viper exceeding 500 HP (the GTS is rumored to be closer to 600) and the Monza achieving 490 HP and a whole new line of super saloons exceeding 500 HP, plus the Vette Z06 with approx. 500 HP, how can it compete?



    Let's just compare the factory performance claims for the new F430 and 996 Turbo S: the Turbo S is slightly faster from 0-100 mph, with "only" 450 HP. Any more questions?

    Power isn't everything but I agree that Porsche should think about a 5 at the beginning of the 997 Turbo power figure. Unfortunately I don't think this is gonna happen.
    Look at the 997: I was pretty sure that the Carrera gets 340 HP and the Carrera S gets 380 HP from the start. It didn't happen. And even the upcoming new 997 GT3 is rumored at 390-395 HP only. The Cup version has 400 HP, so go figure.
    I heard several rumors over the past few weeks regarding 997 Turbo power figures.
    One indicated 460 HP for the base model and 500 HP for the Turbo S. Another one said 450 HP for the base model and 480 HP for the Turbo S. The most optimistic indicated 500 HP for the Turbo and maybe something in the 530 HP range for a Turbo S later on. But I doubt it.

    So right now I'm sticking to the most trustable rumor: 480 HP. However...I don't know if this refers to the Turbo or Turbo S.

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    Ok...the Porsche mix between power/weight/performance is better than others but:

    Last year Gallardo get 500HP,two years ago SL gets 500 HP,this year F430 get 500HP(495 )..and the 997 Turbo will arrive not before one/two years,with only 480 HP??
    I think is a jump down from a bridge with no water under..

    IF the 997 Turbo has only 460 HP and has a price tag like the 996 Turbo S and the 997 Turbo S has 480HP and has a price tag of over 150.000 Euro will be difficult to make a good battle with Gallardo/F430/etc..

    A well accesoried F430 costs between 155 and 160.000 Euro..a well accesoried 996 Turbo now costs not under 155.000 Euro..

    Now..where will arrive a good accessoired 997 Turbo?? near 160.000 or 165.000??
    If the price is under/near a F430 maybe also with a little less power people take the Porsche..but if the price is the same and the power is low,only for the exclusivity factor i think will be better a F430...
    And also i think that have 500hp on the paper is a good thing for minds too...

    Where we whant to go??
    Now a good 997 S is near 110.000 Euro....

    I think the new 997 Gt3 with "only" 395 HP will be near 110.000 Euro...with no options...
    A good optioned GT3 will be near 120.000 Euro..

    Porsche price are running to much for me..and power is running to slow..

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    Well, the point is where all this power raises should lead to? I don't see the sense in more than 500 hp in the std. Turbo.
    Some of you might remember the 70's oilcrisis, where sportscar manufacturers went into a deep, black hole and some of them didn't return! This shouldn't happen again Porsche's power philosophy aims at the same direction as their price and hp figures are related to each predecessor. I have to say that this is definately a good thing and it is part of Porsche, just as their high prices always were a part of that. The only problem I see is that a E55 or M5 are not any more expensive than the 997 S but provide significantly more hp. From 0-60 the traction will help the Porsche but anything beyond that will be a tough thing. The S indeed goes very, very well at higher speeds but I would've imagined a bit more midrange torque - especially out of a 3.8 litre engine!

    I don't think Porsche should go beyond 450 hp on the std. 997 TT but about 480 to 500 hp on the S version. I would also recommend to launch them at the same time or pretty close together!
    Just consider power figures in the past:
    993: 272/285 hp
    + LK: 300 hp
    996 MK.1: 300 hp
    + LK : 320 hp
    996 Mk.2: 320 hp
    + LK: 345 hp
    997: 325hp
    997 S: 355 hp

    Figured it out? Each Porsche with LK had about the same hp as its sucessor in std. form. I could imagine this is the reason a lot of people have a problem with the 997 sales strategy and power figures. The std. 997 should have had at least 330 hp and the S about 380 hp. This would've made sense and satisfied most customers. The step up from a 996 is hard to justify for a lot of people - I understand that! At least the engine should've felt more powerful, as I mentioned in the mid-range rpms...

    The 996 TT wasn't such a big step up in terms of power but it would have clearly justified another 10 or 20 hp - it was superior to the 993 in terms of driveability and handling but as mentioned before a lot of people would appreciate a bit more power also! Let's not forget these people invest a lot of money in these cars and they shouldn't be dissapointed.

    Just for comparison the Carrera used to be rival for Maranello's V8 models, this turned out to be the TT in recent years. I clearly understand that hp shouldn't raise unlimitedly but Porsche should give the choice to the customers. If Wiedeking - and I utterly respect him for his decisions for the past decade - makes good money out of and charges very high prices for the cars he should be willing to fulfill the customers power demands - at least in two TT model variants!

    Greetings to Stuttgart!

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    Is HP the most important thing in a SportsCar?... hell no.
    But is HP important?... hell yes.

    Due to Porsche's engine power strategy in the last decade, the Porsche 911 is the most underpowered car in its class:

    Is it so difficult for the best engineering maker in the world to just match the competition in engine output?
    Is it so hard for the most profitable car maker in the world to delilver a comparable engine output to their pricetag?

    But sadly for us and fortunately for them, they still build such good hanldling, versatile, effective, reliable, performning (even with less HP than the comp), and fun to drive cars that we will still purchase them inspite their underpower, myself included. How many italian, german or american makers can say the same? that tells you something about Porsches.



    As a side note, I think that if it turns out to be true that the 997TT/997TTS will come out with 450HP and 480HP respectively, they will be pushing their luck given the new competition that the 997TT will be facing that the 996TT didn't not have, and being that HP is more and more important as time go by (more so than it should in relation to the "whole package"), and also high HP is more and more accesible and common (and not only in sportcars anymore), so Porsche has to see if the cost or effort of pumping out a few more HP is really more than leaving "The Turbo" at such a dumb disadvantage, even if its on paper (it will likely still be able to compete performace wise with the competition even with less HP) since we are talking about sales.

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    A lot of this is marketing dept driven. Start just below a " magic " number , then bump in 2 years when it's time for new round of car magazine artlcles . Ferrari rates the F430 at 490 hp - could easily have come in at 500 ( and may already dyno at that ) - but the " 5" , as officially rated , will help hype the CS version sure to follow.

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    MKW said:
    A lot of this is marketing dept driven. Start just below a " magic " number , then bump in 2 years when it's time for new round of car magazine artlcles . Ferrari rates the F430 at 490 hp - could easily have come in at 500 ( and may already dyno at that ) - but the " 5" , as officially rated , will help hype the CS version sure to follow.



    Well, in the case of Ferraris, they almost always overstate the power, so no, I don't think the current motor makes 500hp. Probably lucky to make 475hp. And it's not going to be easy for them to reach 500hp unless they increase the displacement first...

     
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