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    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

    Lots more good posts from both sides of the argument, but it's Keith that I think really nails it on the head. It seems like allot of people want to be able to maintain a sporty driving demeanor in their street driving while having a safety-net to rescue them in case a situation like the following happens.....
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    Having to suddenly swerve at 70 mph on a cambered wet road to avoid that refrigerator that just fell off the back of the pick-truck ahead of you and keeping the back end pendulum from exiting the road first is something else completely.



    I would think that giving yourself proper trailing distance between the car in front of you, especially while taking a corner at 70mph in a 911 might be a good start so you hopefully never find yourself in this situation. If the above happens on a straight road, PSM isn't really going to help your straight line braking performance either. Some people don't mind driving defensively while on the street, others prefer a car that is more 'weapon like', that lets them go faster on the street & track while helping them if situations arise they didn't plan for. I would agree that most drivers out there that we share the roads with are very lacking, which makes it all the more important that we drive in a somewhat defensive manner while on the street, taking into account everything from car dynamics, road conditions, and our fellow stupid drivers that we are forced to share the road with. And as Keith already pointed out, the limits on Porsche GT cars are much higher than those of most cars on the road. If you want to take the cars to the edges of the envelope while on the street, so that there is no margin for error if something unexpected happens, that's your choice, but hardly a wise one.

    As for using PSM to learn a new track, I liked the theory, at least according to Porsche's literature, but even a system as good as PSM isn't perfect (It probably never could be, sadly). It will always be forcing you to drive its way, which most of the time is fine and dandy, but fails to let you do some very necessary things at some corners. And one must take into account, that the later a stability program is programmed to react (slip angle) the harder it will come in on the brakes when it decides you have exceeded the limits, all to often making you wonder if you would have been able to handle the slide by yourself. This very fact of giving you the confidence to approach the limits and often making you question if you would be able to handle exceeding them is why I dislike PSM as a training tool for A GT series Porsche.

    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

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    Yargk said:
    I completely disagree and hope never to see PSM on a GT2/GT3.

    Part of owning a GT3/GT2 is taking responsibility for your horsepower.




    Very well said!!! I too am in complete agreement with those statments...

    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

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    Erik said:
    ...I would agree that most drivers out there that we share the roads with are very lacking, which makes it all the more important that we drive in a somewhat defensive manner while on the street,...


    "When you ride on the road you have to be very careful because all the people driving cars...are f u c k i n g idiots"
    -- Valentino Rossi, Faster --

    I would love to get the PSM and the choice of switching it on or off. If for some reasons, my wife would have to drive my car, I'd feel better to know that she might be helped in case of difficulties.

    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

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    jecey said:
    "When you ride on the road you have to be very careful because all the people driving cars...are f u c k i n g idiots"
    -- Valentino Rossi, Faster --




    So true Valentino is as wise outside the track as he is inside... "the doctor" is the greatest!

    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

    http://www.motorfreaks.nl/index.php?mod=dl&action=download&id=364

    enjoy it !

    but my 2 cents, with a bike, you really need balls. You don't have PSM, ABS or whatever ... if you have the impression YOU are the driver (and not a electronic device), you get more value and adrenaline. Otherwise better to have training session with the PlayStation 2.

    Re: PSM or TC on GT2/GT3?

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    Yargk said:
    I completely disagree and hope never to see PSM on a GT2/GT3. if you are having traction issues it's because YOU are being too aggressive with the throttle or taking a turn too quickly. My point is that when driving aggressively it is you who is dangerous, not the car. Part of owning a GT3/GT2 is taking responsibility for your horsepower.

    The owners of these cars chose them so they wouldn't have "safety nets". These are serious cars and people should take responsibility when they are driving in a way that makes the car dangerous on the street



    Keith,

    never have better words been spoken on this subject. if you know you own limits and drive within them, you can enjoy a GT2 without danger to yourself or others, or crashes. common sense is an amazing device.


    and if you take it easy, little marks like these will buff out!!

     
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