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    Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Porsche continues to achieve high levels of performance over the long term. The new Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid sees the sportscar manufacturer launch a plug-in hybrid model as the flagship of a model line for the first time. The four-litre V8 engine from the Panamera Turbo is combined with an electric motor, resulting in 500 kW/680 hp of system power and outstanding power delivery: Even when just above idle speed, the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid offers an 850 Nm of torque. That means it accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 3.4 seconds and reaches a top speed of 310 km/h. The boost strategy of the all-wheel drive Panamera comes from the 918 Spyder super sportscar. In the New European Driving Cycle, the average fuel consumption is 2.9 l/100 km, and the new flagship Panamera can drive on fully electric power for up to 50 kilometres. The Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid underlines the high importance of electromobility to Porsche.

    Unique drive concept with V8 engine and electric motor
    After the successful début of the Panamera 4 E-Hybrid, which uses a V6 engine together with an electric motor, Porsche is showing once again that hybrid technology has great performance potential. The new Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid combines an electric motor (100 kW/136 hp) with a V8 engine (404 kW/550 hp). The decoupler installed in the Porsche hybrid module is actuated electromechanically by an electric clutch actuator (ECA), just like in the Panamera 4 E-Hybrid. The result is short response times and a high level of comfort. As in all other second-generation Panamera models, the fast-shifting Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) with eight gears is used to transmit the power to the standard adaptive all-wheel drive system Porsche Traction Management (PTM). The E-Performance drive accelerates the luxury saloon to 100 km/h in just 3.4 seconds and provides extraordinary tractive force at higher speeds. Combined with a top speed of 310 km/h, this means that the Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid sets yet more new benchmarks in its class. The Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid comes with air suspension as standard and offers a unique balance in this segment: the comfort of a luxury saloon paired with sportscar-level performance values.

    The electric motor is supplied with power via a liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery with an energy capacity of 14.1 kWh. Within six hours, the high-voltage battery integrated in the rear is fully charged with 10 A via a 230-V connection. If the Panamera uses the optional 7.2-kW on-board charger and a 230-V connection with 32 A instead of the standard 3.6-kW charger, the battery is fully charged in just 2.4 hours. The charging process can also be started using a timer via Porsche Communication Management (PCM) or the Porsche Connect app (for smartphones and Apple Watch). Moreover, the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid is fitted with auxiliary air conditioning to cool or heat the passenger compartment even during charging.

    Three-way combination of sportscar performance, comfort on long trips and efficiency
    Performance, comfort and efficiency form a perfect three-way combination: The Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid starts in the purely electric “E-Power” mode as standard, and the four-door sportscar drives locally over a distance of up to 50 kilometres with zero emissions. When a specific pressure point is passed in the accelerator pedal, or when the battery charge level drops below a minimum value, the Panamera switches to “Hybrid Auto” mode, at which point the power of both engines is available. Consumption in the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) for plug-in hybrid models amounts to 2.9 l/100 km for super-grade petrol (66 g/km of CO2) and 16.2 kW/h/100 km for electric power.

    Début with two wheelbases
    The new flagship of the second Panamera generation will be launched in the European market in July 2017. Further markets will follow in the second half of 2017. The Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid is celebrating its world première at the Geneva Motor Show (March 7 to 19, 2017). From the very beginning, the four-door Gran Turismo will also be offered in an Executive version, with a wheelbase extended by 150 millimetres.

    As part of its standard equipment, the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid includes the Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB), Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (PDCC Sport) including Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV Plus), Power Steering Plus and 21-inch alloy wheels in the 911 Turbo Design. The basic package also contains auxiliary air-conditioning, adaptive aerodynamic elements and three-chamber air suspension including Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM). The long version is equipped with rear axle steering as standard. In Germany, prices for the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid start at EUR 185,736 including VAT. For the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Executive, prices start at EUR 199,183.

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    A few more details:

    0-160 kph (100 mph): 7.6 seconds (Turbo with Sport Chrono: 8.1 seconds)

    Weight (EU): 2385 kg (Turbo: 2070 kg) 

    So the Turbo S weights 315(!) kg more than the regular Turbo. Ouch. angry


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    the most important figure: 

    0-200kph in 8.3s Smiley

    (source: AutoBild)


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    MKSGR:

    the most important figure: 

    0-200kph in 8.3s Smiley

    11.7 seconds I'm afraid...8.3 would be impossible. Smiley

    The numbers are not as impressive as communicated earlier by our sources. I think that Porsche had to tune down the engine and power output, for whatever reason. Maybe thermodynamical issues? Smiley


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    impressive spec for a luxo barge....


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:

     

    So the Turbo S weights 315(!) kg more than the regular Turbo. Ouch. angry

    I hope they find a way to reduce the incremental weight for the 992 turbo s...


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    the most important figure: 

    0-200kph in 8.3s Smiley

    11.7 seconds I'm afraid...8.3 would be impossible. Smiley

    The numbers are not as impressive as communicated earlier by our sources. I think that Porsche had to tune down the engine and power output, for whatever reason. Maybe thermodynamical issues? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    That's why I added the source - sounds very fast:

    http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsche-panamera-turbo-s-e-hybrid-2017-mitfahrt-11336399.html

    Smiley


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    I'm afraid Autobild is wrong.

    Just do the math how much power a car with 2.4 tons weight would need to hit 0-200 kph under 10 seconds. 

    MTM offers a tuned S8 Plus with 805 or 810 hp, the car has been reviewed at 9.9 seconds from 0-200 kph.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:

    I'm afraid Autobild is wrong.

    Just do the math how much power a car with 2.4 tons weight would need to hit 0-200 kph under 10 seconds. 800 hp MINIMUM and this is only for hitting 0-200 kph in 9.9 seconds or so.

    I agree - also as the normal turbo did 0-200 in 12.7s in a recent magazine test Smiley


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    The Hybrid is only interesting from a fuel consumption point of view. Track performance should be same as Turbo or even slightly worse (according to recent new rumors).

    It is an interesting product but not as interesting as I thought it would be.

    Probably makes more sense in the Cayenne anyway. Smiley


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    RC:

    The Hybrid is only interesting from a fuel consumption point of view. Track performance should be same as Turbo or even slightly worse (according to recent new rumors).

    It is an interesting product but not as interesting as I thought it would be.

    Probably makes more sense in the Cayenne anyway. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    I agree - not so interesting as I thought as the performance is not much better with the new technology.


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    Porsche made, in my opinion, a mistake here: They went for reduced fuel consumption instead of additional performance. If they pull off the same with the next 992 Turbo, they will be in trouble. Customers expect something else from a sports car. In the Panamera it could make sense though (I assume they asked customers...), it definitely makes sense in the Cayenne.


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    RC:

    Porsche made, in my opinion, a mistake here: They went for reduced fuel consumption instead of additional performance. If they pull off the same with the next 992 Turbo, they will be in trouble. Customers expect something else from a sports car. In the Panamera it could make sense though (I assume they asked customers...), it definitely makes sense in the Cayenne.

    Absolutely correct - this in a 992 turbo will make the car totally uninteresting.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Porsche always had a eye on reducing consumption to their predecessors - always....


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    BjoernB:

    Porsche always had a eye on reducing consumption to their predecessors - always....

    They have to, at least on paper Smiley but they clearly switched priorities with the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid.

    When I first heard about the project last year, the emphasis was clearly on performance. It changed, probably for a reason.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    I do not recall that they ever wanted to be the fastest or most Performance oriented - they rather low-ball and overachieve which is reconfirmed by many magazines showing better numbers than they officially claim but I cannot recall that they said they want to be fastest in any Segment. I actually even think with a RS that they know with 500 HP these days you're not winning any flower-pot - nor maybe with 650 against +700 HP Monsters comming


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    Personally think there is room for a half way house here which is a mild hybrid giving you 10km of all electric range only and benefitting from brake / regen charging etc to help fuel economy etc but only weighing 100 /150kg. 315kg additional weight just kills the concept and most probably the handling imho


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    For the Belgium rennteamers:

    Normal Turbo: license plate tax: 3397,50 (only once) yearly road tax 2265,79

    Turbo S: license plate tax: 42,91 (only once) yearly road tax 1378,71

    Conclusion tax wise the Turbo S is the way to go!


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    JR-550:

    For the Belgium rennteamers:

    Normal Turbo: license plate tax: 3397,50 (only once) yearly road tax 2265,79

    Turbo S: license plate tax: 42,91 (only once) yearly road tax 1378,71

    Conclusion tax wise the Turbo S is the way to go!

    Interesting... Smiley


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Same thing in Finland, because of the low CO2 figure, car tax for Turbo S is somewhere around 10% purchase price. Regular Turbo is above 30%. This is for total price, incl options. Can't be bothered to check the actual figures, but ballpark. Also, yearly road tax should about a third of the regular model.

    EDIT: OK, had to check. Hybrid 8.8%, regular 37,5%. So that's 70k€ difference in base configuration already.

     


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    the most important figure: 

    0-200kph in 8.3s Smiley

    11.7 seconds I'm afraid...8.3 would be impossible. Smiley

    The numbers are not as impressive as communicated earlier by our sources. I think that Porsche had to tune down the engine and power output, for whatever reason. Maybe thermodynamical issues? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    From brochure...

    0-160km/h 7.6s

    2310kg DIN

    2385kg EG


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:

    The Hybrid is only interesting from a fuel consumption point of view. Track performance should be same as Turbo or even slightly worse (according to recent new rumors).

    It is an interesting product but not as interesting as I thought it would be.

    Probably makes more sense in the Cayenne anyway. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    Same in Spain. We have this taxes for cars: 

    21 % VAT

    And then lisence plate tax:

    - Lower 120 gr/km CO2, FREE

    - Between 120 gr/km CO2 and 160 gr/km CO2,  4,5 %

    - Between 160 gr/km and 200 gr/km CO2, 9,75%.

    - More than 200 gr/km CO2, 14,75% (nowadays Turbo is 214 gr/km)

     

    So in a 200.000€ car, you save 30.000€

    It could end that in Spain price of Turbo S would be lower than the Turbo price

    And in most city councils Hybrids don't pay the anual tax.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    In Spain, Turbo S is only €10K more expensive than the Turbo.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    The 8.3sec is for 100-200km/h.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    KresoF1:
    RC:
    MKSGR:

    the most important figure: 

    0-200kph in 8.3s Smiley

    11.7 seconds I'm afraid...8.3 would be impossible. Smiley

    The numbers are not as impressive as communicated earlier by our sources. I think that Porsche had to tune down the engine and power output, for whatever reason. Maybe thermodynamical issues? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    From brochure...

    0-160km/h 7.6s (7,9)

    2310kg DIN (2,410 kg)

    2385kg EG  (2,485 kg)

    Can't comment on the performance and price after adding options Smiley


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2018-porsche-panamera-turbo-s-e-hybrid-first-ride-review

    Personally, i dont agree with the weight increase.  Wonder how the Merc GT-4door will do against it in the weight and performance department.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

     Porsche will significantly reduce the weight of the battery pack in future cars.


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    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/panamera/2018/2018-porsche-panamera-turbo-s-e-hybrid-first-ride/


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    oops .... 315 kg more than regular Turbo... its not good.... its like a tank.... very heavy and fast in a straight lane.... regular turbo is better I think?


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    According to factory drivers, the Turbo S is still a monster on the track. I was at Leipzig yesterday and a few of them test drove the Turbo S. The ones that didn't drive it are looking forward to pacing it out on the Leipzig track. 

    People really sometimes paid too much attention to weight alone. They forgot about how engine torque can change the character of a car completely, power makes a car agile. 

    Look no farther than the 918, it was suppose to be a pig, but it's been whipping the P's asses all day long. All because of the instant torque.


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