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    2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    I have a new 997TT on order for November build and need to finalize the configuration by tomorrow.  I am comfortable with all the options (PDK, PCCB, Sport Chrono...) but I did not order PTV for lack of information.  I track the car (DE) about 20 days per year and do not want anything that will detract from the track experience.  I usually run with PASM on.  Can anyone give me any more information such as weight, intrusiveness, brake wear, etc. on PTV?


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    C. Soule

    2010 997.2 TT PDK on order

    2007 997 TT Tip


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    AFAIK the only specific info on Porsche Torque Vectoring is what was released in the official press release and the Porsche web special.

    I suppose you could understand it more by analogy by seeing what other cars (like the Mitsubishi Evo) do with similar technology.


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    Rennteam Moderator - 997.1 C2S Coupe GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

     

    Let's invert the question: why should you not order PVT? If I were you I would clearly order this option - Porsche is unlikely to offer this performance oriented feature if it does not have a positive effect on performance Smiley


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    From my understanding, PTV includes the Lim. Slip Differential which should explain the premium. After all, it appears to me as an addition to the ESP system and enhances turn-in response and stability in high-speed manouvres.

    The only open question´d be how effective and un-intrusive the system would work on a track, given the fact that a. Porsche´s PSM is calibrated very, very well and b. the GT-R set a time that the 997.2 Turbo should at least get close to, one can assume that it will have its benefits.


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    ofcourse you should order it. judging from my X6 it makes the car corner in a whole different way. it actively pushes you into the corner.....

    go for it..no doubt


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    Thanks for the input.  I added PTV to my order as its primary function seem to be to replace the old limited slip differential.  I'll let you know how it performs on the track.

    In the end, here is the order, at MSRP:

    BSEMDL BASE 911 Turbo 132,800.00
    BDYCLR U2 GT Silver Metallic 3,140.00
    TOPCLR U2 GT Silver Metallic .00
    INTERI DF Stone Grey Full Leather .00
    OPTION P03 Sport Bucket Seats 2,990.00
    OPTION XUA Spoiler Lip Painted 640.00
    OPTION 250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 4,550.00
    OPTION 450 Ceramic Composite Brakes-PCCB 8,840.00
    OPTION 498 Delete Model Designation .00
    OPTION 640 Sport Chrono Package Turbo 3,830.00
    OPTION 870 Universal Audio Interface 440.00
    OPTION XAJ Side Skirts in Exterior Color 750.00
    OPTION 810 Floor Mats in Interior Color 150.00
    OPTION 446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest 185.00
    OPTION 220 Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) 1,320.00
    OPTION 840 Sport Wheel with Shift Paddles 490.00
        Total Options 160,125.00
        Total Charges 950.00
        Total Order.. 161,075.00
     


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    C. Soule

    2010 997.2 TT PDK on order

    2007 997 TT Tip


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    good clean coice imo


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    Out of interest (comparing UK prices), what else do you have to pay in addition to this to put it on the road?

    I think my spec would be seen as a bit "soft" by people here - more interior stuff, no PCCB, sunroof, RS Spyder wheels but comes in at $190k including all taxes to put it on the road.

     

     


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    Mark - It varies by state but in Maryland, 6% title (sales) tax and about $160 for tags (license plates or registration).  As for specifications, in the states, sun roof, navigation and many other options are forced as standard equipment with no choice to delete.


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    C. Soule

    2010 997.2 TT PDK on order

    2007 997 TT Tip


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    Yes, same here, a bunch of no-delete options bundled with the car - parking sensors, phone module, audio interface, top tint, security tracker, driving experience day. Sun-roof used to be too but no more.

    Overall, UK prices are about 10% more than the US plus a higher rate of sales tax on top but strangely, the price in Germany for a base 997.2TT is a boggling $207k, so I'm not complaining. Visited the dealer opposite the factory in April and was amazed by the prices, not helped by the bad exchange rate back to the GBP. Whats also surprising is how few Porsches you see on the roads in Germany. It's all mid-range Audis, BMWs and Mercedes.


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    csoule:

    Thanks for the input.  I added PTV to my order as its primary function seem to be to replace the old limited slip differential.  I'll let you know how it performs on the track.

    In the end, here is the order, at MSRP:

    Congrats on the very nicely optioned car and the decision to pay for GT Silver. Smiley At this level, I believe in "over-ordering" options and get everything you think you might want.

    I agree very much with PTV. As mentioned on 6speedonline, between the 2 possibilities:
    1. Unnecessary driver's aid? A total waste of money? Robot driving for you?
    2. A game-changing option that stabilizes rear end behavior and makes all of us wish we have this on our 997.1 Turbo?
    I believe it's going to be 2, and I wouldn't be surprised if this technology will trickle to other 911's in the future.  I think that individual wheel torque manipulation and PDK are the secret of the GTR (Nissan deserves credit for pushing the limits here.) and PTV will prove to be an important technology.

    The one thing I am leery about, for track usage, is someone mentions PTV also involves braking of individual wheel. If so, does anyone know if PTV could be turned off?
    Regardless I am convinced 2010 PDK/PTV Turbo will be a car not many want to mess with. On the track, or the streets.  Smiley


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    Regards,
    Can
    997 Turbo + Bilstein Damptronic ( Review ) + GIAC ECU Tune ( Fast as a torpedo & reversible to stock - Review ) + Cargraphic Exhaust ( Oh heavenly noise! )


    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    for all i know, PTV shifts torque to any of the wheels. it does not brake the wheel.

     


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: 2010 997.2 TT on order - should I order PTV

    intouch1:

    for all i know, PTV shifts torque to any of the wheels. it does not brake the wheel.

     

    But doesn't it shift torque to the wheel(s) which can use it by braking the wheel(s) which cannot use it? 


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    fritz


     
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