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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    throt:
    spudgun:

    i know, I know, I’ll refrain myself from now on. Smiley

    I just find it difficult to read that some members on this forum talk drama in terms of ‘I’ve been f*cked by Porsche!’ when their car is delayed for some reason. Sure, you can be mad at a dealer for lying to you but telling the world ‘you’ve been bending over with your trousers down’ is just complete misplaced.

    It’s a car. Things sometimes don’t go the way you wan’t, deal with it and move on. You’ll live. Smiley 


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    997.2 4S / BMW X5 40e / Donkervoort GT 

     

    Smiley,,,

    With what I have had to deal since late May it made me realise, yes,, it’s just a car...( I know that anyway though ) Picked mine up and then wallop, 5 days later I got the biggest punch in the stomach going. I was off RT for a bit and now my car sits with just 310 miles on the clock due to having to deal with so much shit. If wasn’t for my kid like sense of humour I wouldn’t be on here now and coping with my immediate changes..Smiley...

    So Nick, you will have your ride soon and probably enjoy it even more Smiley...

    Your car was in an accident five days after collecting it? That sucks.Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Whoopsy:
    nberry:

    I have been given an expected delivery date of November 28th over two months later than I was promised. I honestly wouldn’t have cared had they just told me that from the outset. But to keep changing dates is unacceptable. Another customer from the same dealership was told his WP Gt3 RS wouldn’t arrive until December. He had leather options similar to my car. Yet he was just informed that his car will arrive in San Diego August 19th. My car remains at he factory. 

    Do Europeans just accept this as normal and bend over a grab their ankles saying the car will come eventually?

     

    Nick, Porsche's tracking system is notoriously bad. Status updates are painfully slow or non-existent. 

    If one doesn't get humans involved, all will just read what's on the screen. 

    I had that first hand a few years ago with my 918, basically there was zero updates in the system. it's pretty much a daily phone call or email direct with Germany. All the while the entry in the system stays the same.

    But I mean, Porsche have 2 systems, one for the dealer network to track cars, that's the horrible one, another for factory internal usage that has the real time updates. But for some reason the internal system is not updating the dealer network system. 

    Also remember last year they had 'lost' my 911R on it's way back from Europe? The system show it was 'in transit' only, never got updated until the car shows up one day at the dealership, the computer screen still shows 'in transit' with no location given. 

    This time with my Turbo S Exclusive, I asked for human intervention, so now I know the car will be loaded onto a boat July 31st and the expected Port of Entry time is Aug 12th. Then however long those bozos at Customs will take and another 10 days for transport from the East Coast to my dealership. 

    Nick, I have always been aware the Porsche systems are wanting for accuracy. The point I was trying to make which one poster cannot grasp is its one thing for a car to be delayed from the original promised date (which I have experienced) and another when Porsche moves your build and delivery date up and then proceeds two weeks later to delay it further than the original delivery date. To my knowledge my car is the only US car that has been delayed like this.

    So should I put my head in a hole and hope for the best or should I demand an explanation to share with fellow posters. I opted for the latter and as they say, "no good deed goes unpunished".Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    nberry:
    throt:
    spudgun:

    i know, I know, I’ll refrain myself from now on. Smiley

    I just find it difficult to read that some members on this forum talk drama in terms of ‘I’ve been f*cked by Porsche!’ when their car is delayed for some reason. Sure, you can be mad at a dealer for lying to you but telling the world ‘you’ve been bending over with your trousers down’ is just complete misplaced.

    It’s a car. Things sometimes don’t go the way you wan’t, deal with it and move on. You’ll live. Smiley 


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    997.2 4S / BMW X5 40e / Donkervoort GT 

     

    Smiley,,,

    With what I have had to deal since late May it made me realise, yes,, it’s just a car...( I know that anyway though ) Picked mine up and then wallop, 5 days later I got the biggest punch in the stomach going. I was off RT for a bit and now my car sits with just 310 miles on the clock due to having to deal with so much shit. If wasn’t for my kid like sense of humour I wouldn’t be on here now and coping with my immediate changes..Smiley...

    So Nick, you will have your ride soon and probably enjoy it even more Smiley...

    Your car was in an accident five days after collecting it? That sucks.Smiley

    No no, Nick. Car is fine. 

    Yes, the post was somewhat vague..5 days after collecting it I suffered a close family bereavement so I have not felt like driving it Smiley..

    Must drive it more soon though. 

    Hope you enjoy it when you get yours. If things are cool I may well land one too in 2019.. Smiley..


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

    Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exclusive pick up June 2013. ( Shit Box )

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Super Darius:

    Mine arrived this morning!!!

    the green looks GREAT!

    i will take it home at the end of the week,then I will make pics.

    What a car!

     

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Super Darius:

    Mine arrived this morning!!!

    the green looks GREAT!

    i will take it home at the end of the week,then I will make pics.

    What a car!

    we need a fair comparison with gt3rs 91.1 please!!!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:

    Physiology has now been aded to politics and economics in this GT3 RS thread . Only porn is missing .

    Go to the fitness thread, quite the eyeful. Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    spudgun:
    nberry:

    Relax. You’ll get your car, albeit with some delay.

    Would you like us to pray and light candles in the church? Do you have close friends and relatives who can help you through these hard times or should this community step up, travel down and come hold your hand?

    Touché!  Just delightful!  Old Nick the Little Old Lady from La Jolla needs a bit o' whuppin' every so often.  The 12 steps of Stitching and Schmatte Picking Anonymous Group of S CA has not been enough to keep Old Nick uprightSmiley

    Love ya Nick, but prolix is prolixSmiley

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Mine arrived this morning!!!

    the green looks GREAT!

    i will take it home at the end of the week,then I will make pics.

    What a car!

     

     

    congrats super d!  can't wait to see the pics!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Enmanuel:
    Gnil:

    Physiology has now been aded to politics and economics in this GT3 RS thread . Only porn is missing .

    Go to the fitness thread, quite the eyeful. Smiley

    this forum is turning into a non hairy chest  ... soon we all be talking about hair styles and make up Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS ( SOLD ) 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:
    Enmanuel:
    Gnil:

    Physiology has now been aded to politics and economics in this GT3 RS thread . Only porn is missing .

    Go to the fitness thread, quite the eyeful. Smiley

    this forum is turning into a non hairy chest  ... soon we all be talking about hair styles and make up Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS ( SOLD ) 

     

    Well, similar, but me and blue have confessed to our preferable moisturiser. 

    blue, he loves Clarins, myself, Nivea For Men, all the way...Smiley..


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

    Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exclusive pick up June 2013. ( Shit Box )

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    throt:

     

     


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    Well, similar, but me and blue have confessed to our preferable moisturiser. 

    blue, he loves Clarins, myself, Nivea For Men, all the way...Smiley..

    you two are precursors . what was it, two years ago ? as long as you two don't start talking about lube Smiley

    Throt , sorry to hear about your loss ....


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS ( SOLD ) 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    ‘’Lube’’, no indecision..

    Thanks, buddy ...


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    throt

    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

    Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exclusive pick up June 2013. ( Shit Box )

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Gnil:
    Enmanuel:
    Gnil:

    Physiology has now been aded to politics and economics in this GT3 RS thread . Only porn is missing .

    Go to the fitness thread, quite the eyeful. Smiley

    this forum is turning into a non hairy chest  ... soon we all be talking about hair styles and make up Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS ( SOLD ) 

     

    eye brow shaving Smiley


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    nberry:
    Whoopsy:
    nberry:

    I have been given an expected delivery date of November 28th over two months later than I was promised. I honestly wouldn’t have cared had they just told me that from the outset. But to keep changing dates is unacceptable. Another customer from the same dealership was told his WP Gt3 RS wouldn’t arrive until December. He had leather options similar to my car. Yet he was just informed that his car will arrive in San Diego August 19th. My car remains at he factory. 

    Do Europeans just accept this as normal and bend over a grab their ankles saying the car will come eventually?

     

    Nick, Porsche's tracking system is notoriously bad. Status updates are painfully slow or non-existent. 

    If one doesn't get humans involved, all will just read what's on the screen. 

    I had that first hand a few years ago with my 918, basically there was zero updates in the system. it's pretty much a daily phone call or email direct with Germany. All the while the entry in the system stays the same.

    But I mean, Porsche have 2 systems, one for the dealer network to track cars, that's the horrible one, another for factory internal usage that has the real time updates. But for some reason the internal system is not updating the dealer network system. 

    Also remember last year they had 'lost' my 911R on it's way back from Europe? The system show it was 'in transit' only, never got updated until the car shows up one day at the dealership, the computer screen still shows 'in transit' with no location given. 

    This time with my Turbo S Exclusive, I asked for human intervention, so now I know the car will be loaded onto a boat July 31st and the expected Port of Entry time is Aug 12th. Then however long those bozos at Customs will take and another 10 days for transport from the East Coast to my dealership. 

    Nick, I have always been aware the Porsche systems are wanting for accuracy. The point I was trying to make which one poster cannot grasp is its one thing for a car to be delayed from the original promised date (which I have experienced) and another when Porsche moves your build and delivery date up and then proceeds two weeks later to delay it further than the original delivery date. To my knowledge my car is the only US car that has been delayed like this.

    So should I put my head in a hole and hope for the best or should I demand an explanation to share with fellow posters. I opted for the latter and as they say, "no good deed goes unpunished".Smiley

     

    It happened like this. 

    You have a scheduled build date. 

    Factory have openings early, cause some cars are missing parts or whatever reason that got pulled from their slots. They moved yours up.

    Suppliers delivered sub par parts, or wrongly built ones. They had to go back and redo them, hence the extra delay. 

    Porsche relies a lot on their suppliers to do JIT production line. IF there are any hiccups it mess things up greatly. Most parts are made by outside suppliers, some are made in-house upstairs and downstairs as you know.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Nick, thanks. It could work out. Many of the guys getting their cars early also have a .2GT3.They will be posting comparisons between the two cars. One Chris on RT isn’t impressed and he has been a credible source when it comes to all things Porsche. If others feel the same, I may not take the car and keep the .2 GT3.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    nberry:

    Nick, thanks. It could work out. Many of the guys getting their cars early also have a .2GT3.They will be posting comparisons between the two cars. One Chris on RT isn’t impressed and he has been a credible source when it comes to all things Porsche. If others feel the same, I may not take the car and keep the .2 GT3.

    there was a small gap on perf only on .1 from 991 series. GT3 and RS were always closed in term of perf while the RS gets all the exotic material and the look. Smiley

    taking your decision based on other advice is weird.Smiley

    I keep my car because it is manual, otherwise I would have jumped on the RS because it is the top of the food chain in 911.Smiley


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    the-missile:
    nberry:

    Nick, thanks. It could work out. Many of the guys getting their cars early also have a .2GT3.They will be posting comparisons between the two cars. One Chris on RT isn’t impressed and he has been a credible source when it comes to all things Porsche. If others feel the same, I may not take the car and keep the .2 GT3.

    there was a small gap on perf only on .1 from 991 series. GT3 and RS were always closed in term of perf while the RS gets all the exotic material and the look. Smiley

    taking your decision based on other advice is weird.Smiley

    I keep my car because it is manual, otherwise I would have jumped on the RS because it is the top of the food chain in 911.Smiley

    How so?Smiley WE all look to reviewers for input. These cars are not available for test drives (at least in the US).Smiley

    I do agree that the RS is a more aggressive looking car and that alone may be enough to buy it over the base GT3.Smiley


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    Being adventurous can be risky but routine is lethal.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    nberry:

    How so?Smiley WE all look to reviewers for input. These cars are not available for test drives (at least in the US).Smiley

    I do agree that the RS is a more aggressive looking car and that alone may be enough to buy it over the base GT3.Smiley

    Not me, I bought these cars on spec sheet. no need for review, you know that GT car will be excellent product since first day they started to release this line.Smiley

    if you listen to others, you will keep buying the last as all fake journalists are invited to test them everywhere and they all say the same about all cars in general. Smiley

    I am yet to watch a review since the last 2 years where a journalist actually says the truth about a car...Smiley they are all perfect, any brand, any model...you can keep the volume and change the background and the speech is always about the same.Smiley


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    GT Lover, Porsche fan

    991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

    Cayenne GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    The only consideration for me would be that the 992 is right around the corner and we know little about it. For all we know the new 911 S will toast a 991.2 gt3rs. It has happened in the past.  The chance to drive a ‘free’ gt car only lasts so long and the new model can cut that very short. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Ah, so you take the word of the manufacturer?Smiley

    Seriously car buying decisions involves many factors and car reviews matter. No different than buying a book or any item from Amazon. Most would read reviews before pulling the trigger. I guess you're different.Smiley

    BTW, Mike's right. What we have today can look old and perform less compared to the new models. Enjoy the moment and move on.Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Leawood911:

    The only consideration for me would be that the 992 is right around the corner and we know little about it. For all we know the new 911 S will toast a 991.2 gt3rs. It has happened in the past.  The chance to drive a ‘free’ gt car only lasts so long and the new model can cut that very short. 

    When did that happen in the past?  There are 3 generations of GT3 RS (996, 997, and 991).  Did the 997.1S toast a 996RS?  Or a 991.1S toast a 997.2RS (3.8 or 4.0)?  I don't think so...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Okay Grant. Good point but I think you get my drift. I guess I was thinking something like a new GTS vs a 991.1 GT3. For example. I’m not an RS expert but due to their track nature I bet you are correct.  Still - time catches up. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Leawood911:

    Okay Grant. Good point but I think you get my drift. I guess I was thinking something like a new GTS vs a 991.1 GT3. For example. I’m not an RS expert but due to their track nature I bet you are correct.  Still - time catches up. 

    Not arguing that progress will come and today's fastest will not be tomorrow's fastest.  But another interesting thing is that all 3 of those RS's are worth lots of money (some well more than when new), but all of those Carrera/S models have depreciated steeply.  Seems that having an obsolete RS is better than having an obsolete Carrera/S Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    pmarkow:
    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:

    If China and the EU want to start a currency war as well, besides the trade war, I am pretty sure Trump will be happy to join. Smiley Not going to happen, Peter... This would mean to move away from the USD in international trade and would probably hurt China and the EU more than the US. Smiley

    There will be a compromise in the end. Why? Because everyone is afraid of Trump and of an escalation but Trump...isn't. Why isn't he afraid? Simple: He doesn't care or maybe he doesn't take the possible consequences seriously enough. The Chinese and the Europeans know that, so they are going to find compromises. Lucky Trump. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    Christian, you overestimate Trump by far. He lacks education and skill. Today he got screwed badly SmileySmileySmiley

     

    Markus, emotions and politics don't mix well, same goes to economics and emotions.

    I bet back in the days, you were anti-Reagan as well, I still remember the anti-Reagan rhetorics in the media (and even in school, my religion teacher threw me out of class because I spoke out for Reagan...), not much different of the current anti-Trump media campaign.

    One of my childhood friends, he is a well known journalist in Germany, wanted to throw me out of his Facebook group because I justified Trump's actions. His boss, he is the editor in chief of one of the biggest German political magazines, told him to keep me inside since this is part of a democratic process. As you can see, you aren't the only one being emotional about Trump but I have to admit that I don't get it. For me, politics is an important part of life but nothing to be emotional about as long as it doesn't threaten my life. If you think that Trump threatens your life, you clearly have perception issues. I remember however that when Reagan was around, some people in Europe compared him with Hitler as well. As a history buff as I am, I was quite shocked but nowadays I see/read the same comparisons with Trump. There is not even a hint of similarities but of course the media always finds a way to see a connection. My journalist friend accused me of reading Breitbart because of my beliefs bit funny enough, Breitbart is something I would never really read. Same goes to crap like RT and others... I watch/read the major news outlets and just THINK. You can agree or not but unlike you and others, I'm not a sheep, I do the 1+1 myself and don't let others do that for me. Cheers.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/27/inside-the-mind-of-donald-trump-219074

    not talking politics here, just psychology. trump is, in layman's terms, just mad. no comparison with ronald reagan is valid.

    I can assure you Trump is not mad. He may be an egocentric person but madness looks different (this is my field of expertise, not yours Smiley Smiley). Btw: People were calling Reagan a madman as well (remember the Pershings in Germany?) but even more a dumb actor and an idiot, even senile they called him. Now? Look at history books. Smiley

    Now let's stop this in this thread because I really think that the moderators should set an example and me, Markus and others haven't exactly been a good example so far, I apologize for that. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Yes RC, here is your warning from a mod for talking politics 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Whoopsy:

    Yes RC, here is your warning from a mod for talking politics 

    Smiley I deserve it. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Grant - good point. An RS is always going to be better than an S at holding value even if it is slow, by comparison, to a base model 10 years from now. Unless they really start to build the shit out of them. Once I get to buy one you know they have made too many. No argument there. 

     

     

     

     

    Snowflake warning... stop here  

     

    TDR can be cured by listening to Scott Adams. BLog.dilbert.com. Mind is like a parachute, works best when open. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Leawood911:

    Grant - good point. An RS is always going to be better than an S at holding value even if it is slow, by comparison, to a base model 10 years from now. Unless they really start to build the shit out of them. Once I get to buy one you know they have made too many. No argument there. 

     

     

     

     

    Snowflake warning... stop here  

     

    TDR can be cured by listening to Scott Adams. BLog.dilbert.com. Mind is like a parachute, works best when open. 

    True but there was a time when GT models weren't really worth much, especially here in Germany. I remember used GT3 models selling for under 50k EUR...incredible. Prices have come down a little bit but GT models are definitely more in demand than regular Carrera models...or the markets are just "flooded" with Carrera models, whatever. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    0D1CAF93-349E-4AEE-9C92-07AB45003985.jpegGuys 

    took the car home this afternoon...I have no words.

    the car is a huuuuge jump away from the mk1,and I make only 40kms.

    the exhaust sounds better,seems more open,when you change gear it pops,and I was under 5k rpm.

    The green....well the green is WOW....

    Really I was doubtful sometimes when I put down the preorder more than 2 years ago,becouse I think that the mk1 was just so perfect that don’t need to be upgraded...but this one is better,no way.

    in the next days I will make some pics,and more impressions of this new miracle from Stuttgart.blush

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018)

    Very nice, Darius..

    Comgrats kiss...


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    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    991 GT3.2 pick up April/May 2018. ( Hairy Chest Spec ).

    Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exclusive pick up June 2013. ( Shit Box )

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