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    997 facelift question

    Hello, I am new to this forum and a new Porsche owner as well. I am trying to figure out when new 911 models are coming out, with the slightly redesigned front and rear bumper and new rear taillights.I read on these forums that the minor facelift to the 911 is suppose to be released sometime this year for 2008 models. Yet I read an article on car and driver magazine that the new redesigned 911 is due for release for 2009...or is that the new 998 model?

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    mike11 said:
    Hello, I am new to this forum and a new Porsche owner as well. I am trying to figure out when new 911 models are coming out, with the slightly redesigned front and rear bumper and new rear taillights.I read on these forums that the minor facelift to the 911 is suppose to be released sometime this year for 2008 models. Yet I read an article on car and driver magazine that the new redesigned 911 is due for release for 2009...or is that the new 998 model?



    Nodody knows when the facelifted 997s will be available and which models will be affected. However, it can be assumed that 997 base/S/cab will be handled differently ( probably earlier) then TT/GT2/GT3 (probably later). Many fear that the new model could appear in usual MY transition in fall 2007 as a MY2008 model. This seems unlikely as we are already in 2007 and the rumors are not substantiated yet which one would expect if the model would change in 7 months. In addition there are repeated rumors from Porsche sources that the facelift will be a 2009 model.

    However, a MY2009 model can appear anytime in 2008. It is rather unlikely that Porsche will keep the current models unchanged until the factory closing in August 2007 and the usual MY transition after the reopening. Pressure will be high for DI availability and some sales boost end of 2007 and early 2008.

    It seems to be more likely that MY2008 will only have a short lifecycle and that MY2009 might appear early in 2008. See the Cayenne facelift for instance that is happening now in February.

    I assume that MY2009 will start in March 2008 and include Facelift, DI and PDK. While PDK might be in the order guides of the new model, the availability might be delayed for some months.


    yah

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    mike11 said:
    Hello, I am new to this forum and a new Porsche owner as well.



    Welcome mike11 in this forum. Have fun with it, with us and nevertheless with your 911!

    I don't think, that the facelift will come this year I also don't think that the 998 will released in 2009.

    Greetings

    Re: 997 facelift question

    Facelifts come every year for other cars so why wouldn't Porsche accelerate THEIR pace of facelifting? I don't get how people keep thinking/hoping that Porsche will do things the same way they did in the past given that they've become soooo successful recently.

    If you can get the car now DO IT! What's the difference if your car gets outdated a few months after you get it or a year after you get it: the PITA is the same. Once you get over the temporary disappointment and PITA you're fine and you still enjoy the car. Waiting to "outsmart" Porsche is ALOT more of a PITA.

    Hedge your bets

    If you're in the market for a 911 and don't want to get caught out, my suggestion would be to buy an 05 model that still has warranty but has already suffered the worst of the depreciation it's going to suffer from. Then you can sit tight, enjoy driving your 911, and wait for the new model/update to come out. Then wait a little longer until the initial demand has died down and ask your dealer for a healthy discount.

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    what is PITA?

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    pain in the ass

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    Thanks for all the feedback guys, and the welcome. Something else I just noticed, after driving around for a while...whenever I turn off the vehicle, there is knocking sound coming from the engine. This lasts for roughly a minute or two. Is this normal for a new 911s? Of course I use the highest octane gas here in the US and havnt reved the engine past 4500 rpm yet either (only 260 miles on this baby so far)

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    actually, I am using the highest fuel grade I can find in my area which is 91 octane.

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    mike11 said:
    Thanks for all the feedback guys, and the welcome. Something else I just noticed, after driving around for a while...whenever I turn off the vehicle, there is knocking sound coming from the engine. This lasts for roughly a minute or two. Is this normal for a new 911s? Of course I use the highest octane gas here in the US and havnt reved the engine past 4500 rpm yet either (only 260 miles on this baby so far)



    No, that's not normal.

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    I agree - not normal IMO - get it checked by your dealer. They should be able to connect your car to a PIWIS terminal and find out if there is anything wrong.

    Do try to use 93 CLC or 93 AKI fuel if you can

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    mike11 said:

    ...whenever I turn off the vehicle, there is knocking sound coming from the engine. This lasts for roughly a minute or two. Is this normal for a new 911s? Of course I use the highest octane gas here in the US and havnt reved the engine past 4500 rpm yet either (only 260 miles on this baby so far)




    Using lower octane gas may cause some "knocking" when the engine is running. After the engine is off , what could possibly knock in it ?

    Are you sure it's not just some "crackling " noises ? If so, that is coming from the exhaust parts which expanded from the heat and are now cooling off .And that is perfectly normal( EVERY 911 does that for a few minutes)

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    Such a crude, roughshod, assaultive seizure on a high-strung, extreme-precision Porsche engine is hard to tolerate even once. Plus we're assuming it's a "harmless" pre-ignition malfunction. Get that car into service ASAP. I'd even consider having them flat-bed it to dealer.

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    I'll bet that the facelift comes with the 2008MY. Any facelifts to the GT3 or Turbo are a couple of years out, if at all.

    The turbo's detailed specs were keep secret until sometime in Feb. 16 (and that was a completely new design.) when RC broke the news. Look how fast Porsche got that car to the US dealers. (June 2006). The 997's improvements will be so subtle that it could happen very quickly, imo.

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    devo said:
    I'll bet that the facelift comes with the 2008MY. Any facelifts to the GT3 or Turbo are a couple of years out, if at all.





    All they have to do is bolt on the rear plastic-rubber "bumper" (extremely cheap to develop and manufacture) and pop in the new tail lights and the Turbos are facelifted in the back. Done, on the market, "specifications changed without notice."

    I'm willing to bet that is exactly what they do.

    Whom are they gonna pi** off? A few current Turbo owners? Big deal.

    It's a brave new world.

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    MMD said:
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    devo said:
    I'll bet that the facelift comes with the 2008MY. Any facelifts to the GT3 or Turbo are a couple of years out, if at all.





    All they have to do is bolt on the rear plastic-rubber "bumper" (extremely cheap to develop and manufacture) and pop in the new tail lights and the Turbos are facelifted in the back. Done, on the market, "specifications changed without notice."

    I'm willing to bet that is exactly what they do.

    Whom are they gonna pi** off? A few current Turbo owners? Big deal.

    It's a brave new world.



    Maybe, I personally dont think so, but, okay. I would think that P would at least wait two years(tt & GT3). If they don't wait, all the more reason Porsche needs to wake up and have some customer loyalty if they want continued brand loyalty. I won't be blindly brand loyal. That is, at least, one point, on which I will agree with "Nick".

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    devo said:
    I won't be blindly brand loyal.



    Mee Neeither.

    We "Expect Excellence."


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    The current Cayenne is a 2008MY as Porsche skipped the 2007MY altogether. I doubt they would do the same with the 911 but I wouldn't rule it out.

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    Since you're a new Porsche owner you may not be as atuned to the engine sounds from these. Do you know the difference between an engine dieseling, or just the sound of the engine and exhaust components cooling down?

    If it is dieseling (doubtful, with all the special anti-knock designs) then it needs to go to the dealer immediately.

    dan

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    Dan L said:
    Since you're a new Porsche owner you may not be as atuned to the engine sounds from these. Do you know the difference between an engine dieseling, or just the sound of the engine and exhaust components cooling down?

    If it is dieseling (doubtful, with all the special anti-knock designs) then it needs to go to the dealer immediately.

    dan



    Yes, good observation. Thanks to you I have to rethink/re-guess on this. I'd be totally freeked out if these engines, with all their computerized and mechanical complexity, were still vulnerable to that "antiquated" behavior after shut down.

    In the old days, wasn't dieseling most often caused by excessive hot carbon buildup which acted like a glow plug? Makes sense on a carburated car. Seems THAT cause is out of the question.

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    Le Chef said:
    If you're in the market for a 911 and don't want to get caught out, my suggestion would be to buy an 05 model that still has warranty but has already suffered the worst of the depreciation it's going to suffer from. Then you can sit tight, enjoy driving your 911, and wait for the new model/update to come out. Then wait a little longer until the initial demand has died down and ask your dealer for a healthy discount.




    I have just the car for you (2005 997S). I am not letting it go cheap either (rather just trade it in)but the next owner will get a car just like new and save $20000 from MSRP. Thats almost $30000 if you consider the add on's + fees. Its listed at cars.com Have a 997 turbo on order with a May delivery. Please do not post any questions in this thread. PM's only. My guess from what I have been reading is that the Carrera and Carerra S will get the facelift sooner than the turbo and GT3 (they just came out). My educated guess is that the facelift/PDI/led's in the rear will come at the start of MY2008 production or sometime in the middle. If not for sure by MY2009 (next SEPT 2008). I have no facts to support this just my educated guess. Cheers.

     
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