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    Re: 991.1 Carrera 4S

    Bluelines, are the pictures re-worked, with a filter for e.g.? I am asking because the Dark Blue looks even more gorgeous than on the other pictures I have seen.


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    Ziggy:

    Bluelines, are the pictures re-worked, with a filter for e.g.? I am asking because the Dark Blue looks even more gorgeous than on the other pictures I have seen.

    The photos are processed and enhanced in DXO and Lightroom. Dark blue metallic is gorgeous Smiley A very nice color in most lights, which is unusual for dark Porsche metallics which tend to display a whole spectrum of different shades.


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    On the top of Mount Rigi from this weekend.

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    Re: 991.1 Carrera 4S

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...


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    SciFrog:

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...

    Cheating what and who? Smiley

    If you shoot in RAW then you need to post process. If you shoot in JPG, then not. Your camera will already have done most "post process" for you.

    For me the photography is a creative process, from composing the scene to exporting the processed photo. It is a process of enhancement. You take something a refine it. There is no right or wrong. There is only a good or bad photo in the end Smiley

    The basic workflow is pretty simple: I import all my photos in Adobe Lightroom and apply meta data during the import (for example, a tag "GT4" or "landscape"). Then I make an initial walk-thorough and reject all photos which I don't like. This leaves me with about 10% of the set which I then usually add to a collection (for example, "Scuderia Hanseat, September 2015"). All the meta data and collections are simply there to later be able to find the photos quickly. Then I make the RAW processing (exposure, contrast, tone, etc) and almost always I apply the punch preset in Lightroom since it does just what is says Smiley Now you are done.

    For the more advanced processing you need actuals skills and experience. Something I learned through trial and error. That is the beauty of digital photography. If you make a mistake, then reset and redo. I usually fine adjust the blacks/whites and highlights/shadows to get all details out. For landscapes I always use the haze filter to make the photo more clear or import it DxO, run the ClearView filter and then export it back into Lightroom. Sometimes I play with black/white photos or simply low saturation which gives nice effects.


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    Here is an example of a black&white one which has gone through the entire process including DxO and fine tuning all curves (the color version is above).

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    The above ends up being very nice but does look processed...

    I guess the processing depends what you want to achieve. You seem to want very few pics of very high quality. I prefer having many pics for remembering trips and moments. My keep rate is about 80% from my Leica 109...


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    Exactly, it depends on what one wants to achieve. I always shoot in rapid mode and get 3-4 photos for each shot. I only keep the sharpest and the rest goes. Often I take 2-3 variations of each scene and only keep the best. Hence, from 10 almost identical photos there is 1 winner.

    For our 3 weeks Singapore and Australia trip last year I took just over 1000 photos and ended up keeping 100. Here are a few favourites which all have been processed to various extent:

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    Lovely editing Bluelines. I agree with your view on it, pictures straight out of the camera need a little processing, IMO not to change them but to bring it a little closer to what we experience in reality. When I edit a photo is more to evoque the feeling I got from experiencing the moment in real life and giving it a little more "feeling" 


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    Enmanuel:

    Lovely editing Bluelines. I agree with your view on it, pictures straight out of the camera need a little processing, IMO not to change them but to bring it a little closer to what we experience in reality. When I edit a photo is more to evoque the feeling I got from experiencing the moment in real life and giving it a little more "feeling" 

    Thanks! Very well put. Enhancing the "feeling" Smiley


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    SciFrog:

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...

     

    I am with you on this :)

    I am old school, used to shooting film and doing dark room stuff. I pretty much refused to do heavy digital post-processing outside of getting the white balanced, exposure corrections and cropping. Basically I wouldn't do anything that I cannot physically do in a dark room during the analog age.

     


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    bluelines:

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    Here is an example of a black&white one which has gone through the entire process including DxO and fine tuning all curves (the color version is above).

    1447262418494_DSC0694.jpg

    Wow, the difference is stunning!


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    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...

     

    I am with you on this :)

    I am old school, used to shooting film and doing dark room stuff. I pretty much refused to do heavy digital post-processing outside of getting the white balanced, exposure corrections and cropping. Basically I wouldn't do anything that I cannot physically do in a dark room during the analog age.

     

    In the analog age people used to retouch their photos with an airbrush Smiley

    What is your view on pre-processing then? Using artificial lights to enhance the conditions? Or shooting in a studio?


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    apias:
    bluelines:

    Here is an example of a black&white one which has gone through the entire process including DxO and fine tuning all curves (the color version is above).

    Wow, the difference is stunning!

    LOL! Good one Smiley


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    Excellent photography! Much enjoy watching them!


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    apias:
    bluelines:

    1447304517966image.png.jpeg

    Here is an example of a black&white one which has gone through the entire process including DxO and fine tuning all curves (the color version is above).

    1447262418494_DSC0694.jpg

    Wow, the difference is stunning!

    The black and white looks very nice, the colored one is over processed, it looks artificial and actually bad in my opinion.


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    RC:

    The black and white looks very nice, the colored one is over processed, it looks artificial and actually bad in my opinion.

    It is art and has nothing with good or bad to do in my opinion Smiley It can be appreciated or not appreciated.


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    Re: 991.1 Carrera 4S

    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...

     

    I am with you on this :)

    I am old school, used to shooting film and doing dark room stuff. I pretty much refused to do heavy digital post-processing outside of getting the white balanced, exposure corrections and cropping. Basically I wouldn't do anything that I cannot physically do in a dark room during the analog age.

     

    In the analog age people used to retouch their photos with an airbrush Smiley

    What is your view on pre-processing then? Using artificial lights to enhance the conditions? Or shooting in a studio?

    I agree, there is really no difference between using filters, artificial lighting, processing tricks, etc and digital processing. Either you allow both or neither otherwise you are in a contradiction out double standard. Personally were I draw the line is we're you alter the contents of the image such as removing objects from the picture or altering the proportions of objects in the image, etc. But that applies to both analog and digital, only that digitally is much easier to do.


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    Indeed but when filters change the mood and coloring to an artificial one, it is too much. I compare such photos with a woman's face lift. If it is too much and it looks artificial, it looks bad and unnatural.

    When I work on photos, I usually only correct brightness and sharpness, I avoid playing around with color tones because the results usually look artificial. I also hate those Instagram photos using certain filters, they just look weird and unnatural. 


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    RC:

    Indeed but when filters change the mood and coloring to an artificial one, it is too much. I compare such photos with a woman's face lift. If it is too much and it looks artificial, it looks bad and unnatural.

    When I work on photos, I usually only correct brightness and sharpness, I avoid playing around with color tones because the results usually look artificial. I also hate those Instagram photos using certain filters, they just look weird and unnatural. 

    There are people out there that do over process a picture to death. But a good retouch can make a scene much better and reflect the original live scene more accurately.

    Here's an example of a picture I took yesterday while visiting a new building, and of course of some mexican food I had a few days ago. With a little editing I could better convey how I saw the scene through my own eyes and help transmit the actual moment better and do more justice to the subject.

    Original:

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    Retouched:

    Not a huge difference but that's the thing, it doesn't need to change the picture to the breaking point, but small tweaks can change the viewers perspective. 
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    Original:

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    Retouched:

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    Carlos from Spain:
    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    Isn;t post processing kind of cheating? Very curious about the workflow since I have 40,000 pics...

     

    I am with you on this :)

    I am old school, used to shooting film and doing dark room stuff. I pretty much refused to do heavy digital post-processing outside of getting the white balanced, exposure corrections and cropping. Basically I wouldn't do anything that I cannot physically do in a dark room during the analog age.

     

    In the analog age people used to retouch their photos with an airbrush Smiley

    What is your view on pre-processing then? Using artificial lights to enhance the conditions? Or shooting in a studio?

    I agree, there is really no difference between using filters, artificial lighting, processing tricks, etc and digital processing. Either you allow both or neither otherwise you are in a contradiction out double standard. Personally were I draw the line is we're you alter the contents of the image such as removing objects from the picture or altering the proportions of objects in the image, etc. But that applies to both analog and digital, only that digitally is much easier to do.

    Agreed, which is why I use neither pre or post processing...


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    Emmanuel, your processed pics look much better than the original ones. But that's the problem, they actually aren't real as in you could not have observed your processed pics with you own eyes but have to use some artifact to do so. It then becomes art as mentioned above. So it really depends what you are trying to achieve: snapping a memory OR an artistic impression of it.

    The dirty little secret behind all this though is that most if not all pics that you look at and that you think "whoa I would love to take pics like that" look the way they do because they have been processed, the skill being how to process them, not how to take the pics or equipment used...


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    SciFrog:

    Emmanuel, your processed pics look much better than the original ones. But that's the problem, they actually aren't real as in you could not have observed your processed pics with you own eyes but have to use some artifact to do so. It then becomes art as mentioned above. So it really depends what you are trying to achieve: snapping a memory OR an artistic impression of it.

    That assumes that what the camera sensor (or film...) captures is "real".   However, digital sensors are nowhere near as capable as our eyes in capturing the range of tones (dynamic range) in a scene.  What happens when there is big contrast in a scene, captured by any digital sensor, is that shadows become compressed to black (when your eyes saw some detail in shadows), and highlights become burned out to pure white, again with no detail.  Better sensors and cameras do better than phones, but the limitation is still there.  So even without any post-processing, what a camera captures is still not "what your brain saw".   The most basic aim of post-processing is to just get it back to what your brain saw - yes you can add much more punch (eg. Bluelines shots), more mood, more anything, if you want to move your images to more impressionistic or artistic -- all fair game if this is your intent and enjoyment.  

    Here are two images from a walk yesterday:  first is the JPEG image from the camera - can't do much with this as Bluelines noted; it is already processed, and because the camera tried to average the exposure with shadows in the foreground and bright sunlit areas in the background, the bright areas in the buildings, and even parts of the boats, are completely burnt out and not recoverable.  This is not really what I saw, but it is what the camera's JPEG gave me - I would consider it a bad image because the blown out highlights are distracting.

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    Here is a second version, which I spent 90 seconds processing from the RAW file the camera also gave me.  I simply took down the exposure and brightness in the upper section, and slightly boosted the shadows in the foreground, to better replicate the dynamic range I actually saw on my walk. Not intended to be a prize photo here, just an illustration of  how you can use processing that (like Enmanuel's architecture example above) still stay in the "real" zone.   

    Raw_example-2.jpg

    But to SciFrog's concern about workflow and time spent - none of this processing is worth it time-wise, unless you get some enjoyment out of your images as images, in addition to their value as moments of our lives.  My workflow is almost identical to Bluelines' (except I keep maybe 30% since I don't repeat as many as he does...), and the vast majority of the RAW files don't see any processing as they view quite nicely on the screen or they don't rate highly enough for me to use (ie. post, email, print).  For the vast majority of people the images any camera or phone produces are good enough to serve their purpose as memories - just make sure you use backups.  Smiley

    PS.  No bonus points for Whoopsy for telling me where this is... Smiley

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    Very enlightening discussion. In the end it's all about how much time you want to allocate to your pics. On most trips I have 300 to 800 keepers. 90s per pic would take hours and hours...


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    Exactly, to each their own priorities and enjoyments.  And after that typically RT diversion into photos..... I do look forward to Bluelines'  car / Switzerland photos, no matter how they are processed... kiss 


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    4trac:

    That assumes that what the camera sensor (or film...) captures is "real".   However, digital sensors are nowhere near as capable as our eyes in capturing the range of tones (dynamic range) in a scene.  What happens when there is big contrast in a scene, captured by any digital sensor, is that shadows become compressed to black (when your eyes saw some detail in shadows), and highlights become burned out to pure white, again with no detail.  Better sensors and cameras do better than phones, but the limitation is still there.  So even without any post-processing, what a camera captures is still not "what your brain saw". 


    That´s exactly the point. Processing is part of the story. Many digital filters have their origin in specific films, papers and chemicals that gave a certain character to the photos. Same with analogue devices for electric guitars, most digital components today just copy the character these devices established with certain technical ingredients.

    As soon as the picture exits the camera in TIFF or JPEG format, the electronics have applied certain algorithms to the raw data of the picture sensor. Certain over-processing as in Bluelines´ pictures is very common today, nothing wrong with that. I personally think that these increased values fit very well to these particular pictures.


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    Very interesting discussion kiss Thanks for everyone's input. I enjoyed reading this a lot.

    I will, shame on me, return to the topic of the dark blue C4S...

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    A few NOT processed JPEG pics from last month straight out of a Leica 109 wink

    I am not a very good photographer but to me they don't need anything and reflect how I saw these scenes...


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    SciFrog:

    A few NOT processed JPEG pics from last month straight out of a Leica 109 wink

    Really? Smiley Your camera would not agree with you since it post-processed them for you automatically Smiley

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