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    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

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    I think it could race in 6 months... don't forget it has a developed race V8 from the RS Spyder and the hybrid system from the 911 Hybrid... Damn this is so exciting.


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    Atzporsche:

    I think it could race in 6 months... don't forget it has a developed race V8 from the RS Spyder and the hybrid system from the 911 Hybrid... Damn this is so exciting.

     Careful, Aaron. You don't want to wet yourself.   Smiley


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    fritz


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    I just changed my diaper so I am ready to post a comment.

    If Porsche produced a street version of this car and priced it from 200-250K, they would sell thousands. 

    Sorry, have to change my diaper again, so have to go...


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    Wonderbar:

    I just changed my diaper so I am ready to post a comment.

    If Porsche produced a street version of this car and priced it from 200-250K, they would sell thousands. 

    Sorry, have to change my diaper again, so have to go...

    So this is what causes those wet dreams? SmileySmiley:

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    fritz


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    Wonderbar:

    If Porsche produced a street version of this car and priced it from 200-250K, they would sell thousands. 

     


    Of course.  They sold thousands of CGT's at twice the price.  At $200k-$250k, there might be some angry GT2RS owners though...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    Grant:
    Wonderbar:

    If Porsche produced a street version of this car and priced it from 200-250K, they would sell thousands. 

     


    Of course.  They sold thousands of CGT's at twice the price.  At $200k-$250k, there might be some angry GT2RS owners though...

    They'll have had three years of pleasure from driving their cars before they'll even have to think about it.


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    fritz


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    Why would it take 3 years?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


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    What will the 918 RSR be like to drive?

    (11 January 2011)

    Absolutely blinding if the 911 GT3 R Hybrid that I drove last year is anything to go by. And given that the 918 RSR uses an electro-hybrid flywheel to store the energy developed by its braking system, just like the GT3 R Hybrid does, one would imagine that the effects would be broadly similar on a track. If so, the 756bhp RSR is going to be some weapon, and also some precursor to the road car that’s due to appear sometime during 2012.

    The most intriguing thing about the GT3’s hybrid system is that it allows the driver to alter not just the car’s straight line performance but also its handling characteristics and its traction at the press of a button.

    The energy stored by the flywheel system goes straight back to the front axle, making the car four-wheel-drive in short eight second bursts, which allows you to dial out understeer in corners where a rear drive GT3 would push wide at the front. It also allows you to carry less fuel in the first place (than a regular GT3 R) because you can generate and then use as you see fit the extra power while on the move.

    Better still, it gives a thundering extra burst of acceleration pretty much whenever you want it, which makes passing other cars far less stressful than it is in the regular car. And the thing about the 918 RSR is that it will not only produce way more power from its conventional V8 engine (than the flat six GT3 R Hybrid does) but also have a lot more extra boost available if and when it’s required.

    What’s not yet set in stone, as far as I gather, is whether the road car will use a similar system – storing its energy in a flywheel RSR-style – or if it’ll use a bank of batteries to store and then redeploy the energy developed under brakes. As it stands the concept for the road car, the 918 Spyder, uses battery storage, but it’s clear that if it can be packaged correctly the flywheel system is more effective (although just how happy customers will be to sit on top of a flywheel rotating at a not exactly quiet 36,000rpm remains to be seen).

    Either way, the 918 – whether it uses battery of flywheel energy storage – is one heck of an exciting prospect. And not merely because it is knee-tremblingly beautiful. 

    Autocar blog by Steve Sutcliffe

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    911 GT3 R Hybrid Race Recap - 2010 Petit Le Mans...

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    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    Grant:

    Why would it take 3 years?

    Because we very recently read a quote here from Porsche's head of R&D saying that only one concept car existed so far, meaning that the development and testing cannot be very far advanced at this stage. 


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    fritz


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    Fritz, any idea what sort of pricing this road 918 would be? Time to sell a property or two to fund one. :)

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    WAY:
    Fritz, any idea what sort of pricing this road 918 would be? Time to sell a property or two to fund one. :)

    Hell no. Way out of my price league, whatever it is. Smiley

    I sold a Porsche once to help pay for my first house. Can't see me selling my house to pay for a Porsche. Smiley


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    fritz


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    Haha, nice one Fritz.

    With the marketing direction, high-tech stuff and racing pedigree, i think Porsche will charge at least $400,000 USD for this beauty. And why not, in my opinion. It will be a limited edition car with amazing performance.. a true halo car. Now if the Boxster takes design cues from the 918 sypder then that will be also great!


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


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    Keep those video's coming please. They are fantastic!


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    Some important comments quoted from Excellence Magazine:

    Excellence spoke with some Porsche insiders at the 2011 Detroit Auto Show to find out:

    Scott Atherton, president and CEO of the ALMS

    — “It is welcome in the ALMS, any time and at any race.”

    — The 918 RSR would race in the same “unclassified” GTH category as the 911 GT3 R Hybrid in last year’s Petit Le Mans.

    — There are other efforts similar to Porsche’s 918 RSR from other manufacturers, but none with the commitment that Porsche has shown.

    Hartmut Kristen, Head of Porsche Motorsport

    — The 918 RSR takes the hybrid system from the GT3 R Hybrid and transfers it into a purpose-built platform.

    — The 918 RSR is targeted at GT racing despite its carbon-fiber tub – because it is based on the 918 Spyder road car and thus will be homologated as such. (This raises the question of how it will be homologated because the race car concept’s flywheel accumulator hybrid system differs from the 918 Spyder concept car’s plug-in hybrid system.)

    — Porsche will race the GT3 R Hybrid in 2011, as it develops the 918 RSR. (We expect the 918 RSR’s race debut will be in 2012.)

    — The GT3 R Hybrid gains several refinements in its hybrid system going into 2011.

    — Porsche Motorsport is considering entering the GT3 R Hybrid at Sebring, and is not worried about the new system on Sebring’s rough pavement.

    — The 918 RSR, like the GT3 R Hybrid, requires at least ten technicians to handle the hybrid system, so it is not considered a vehicle for private teams at this time.

    — The 918 RSR concept would not be fast enough to challenge current LMP1 and LMP2 cars, hence Porsche’s desire to see it categorized as a GT. (This poses another question: Under which GT category would it fall? Some series, such as the ALMS, have eliminated their GT1/GT2 class split in favor of an all-encompassing GT class.)

    — Racing the 918 RSR in an “unclassified” category will not be enough – Porsche will look to enter it in a series that provides the best competition platform for the program, whether it be the ACO, the FIA, or the ALMS.

    — The 918 RSR has not been tested in a wind tunnel. The rear wing will work just fine, but refinements to the shape will probably come later.

    — No, the current leather seats won’t be used in the race car.

    Heinz-Jakob Nuesser, Director of Powertrain Development, Porsche Vehicles

    — The engine for the 918 Spyder street car will be based on the RS Spyder 3.4-liter V8, but will probably grow in displacement and be slightly lower revving – under 10,000 rpm. This will favor emissions, longevity, and fuel consumption.

    — The Spyder’s engine, like the Carrera GT’s race-bred V10, will gain weight in street trim. The GT’s V10 was rejected for the 918 because it is “an old engine.”

     

     


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    Thanks for that Spyderidol, very insightful.
    I have to admit that all this news about racing gets me very excited. How cool is it to be able to watch races again and clearly have a favorite team! :-)


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    I’m too very excited about this whole concept. Porsche are back to its roots and this project indicates what a great company they are. 918 RSR is more advanced and interesting, even than 959, which was a real milestone.
     
    Bravo Porsche and welcome to racing again!

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    Joost:

    Thanks for that Spyderidol, very insightful.
    I have to admit that all this news about racing gets me very excited. How cool is it to be able to watch races again and clearly have a favorite team! :-)

    You are welcome Joost. As you can imagine, I can hardly contain myself. I must confess however, that I am a little disappointed that we wont see the 918 on track before 2012. This means of course, that we wont see a LMP1 car from Porsche (if it ever comes) before 2013.


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    why did the hybrid break any way  ? ?

    did the elictric engine fail ?


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    I take it you are referring to the 2010 Nurburgring. If so, no the electric engine did not fail. A valve spring broke in the petrol engine.


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     thx spyderido ,

    weired  that the prototype electric engine didn't break and the engine did

    fatal fault , so sad after being first for 23:30

     


    Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

    If i remember correctly the Hybrid model was placed in a different class and competed without air restictor. I assume the engine malfunction might be a consequence of just that.


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    A photoshop of what a streetversion of the RSR would look like. I like the coupe shape more than I like the Spyder-version.

    Credits to 'zbaums' at Teamspeed.


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    That 's promising... Nice!


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     looks sexy ! 

    but they are gonna  have to change those slick tyres for sure


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