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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Thanks, Whoopsy - I was just getting a bit irritated by some peoples' claims that this magic diffusor did away with the need for a wing. I had a look at it at geneva and the contours are the same as on the GT3's I showed above - so little or no extra wing effect. Probably just a little smoother, and has the longitudinal fins to help a bit too.
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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    DaveGordon:
    Thanks, Whoopsy - I was just getting a bit irritated by some peoples' claims that this magic diffusor did away with the need for a wing. I had a look at it at geneva and the contours are the same as on the GT3's I showed above - so little or no extra wing effect. Probably just a little smoother, and has the longitudinal fins to help a bit too.

    +1

    I doubt that this diffusor aka "welded oven plate" on the R with it's tiny vanes can have much aerodynamic effect.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Must make some difference though otherwise they wouldn't have bothered producing it. Would love to see the data.
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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    It makes a difference in the sales brochure.
    The ground clearance on road cars is too large for a diffuser to produce anything like the downforce it would on a race car.
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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    fritz:
    It makes a difference in the sales brochure.
    The ground clearance on road cars is too large for a diffuser to produce anything like the downforce it would on a race car.

    Correct.  Even the front splitters are usually too high off the ground to be completely efficient.  Those diffuser fins might reduce lift rather than truly generating downforce.

    When I looked into this for my Lotus, which has a completely flat underbody, it was interesting to see how large the fins had to be and how extended the diffuser had to be out the back of the car to make a noticeable difference in the cars that raced in Lotus Cup USA.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    fritz:
    It makes a difference in the sales brochure.
    The ground clearance on road cars is too large for a diffuser to produce anything like the downforce it would on a race car.

     

    Actually the fins on the R is already too low for street use.

    A number of R owners already had them scraped. Another owner's car is not even delivered yet, but the dealer already noticed scrapes on the fins and will replaced them free of charge, they suspect it was scraped while coming off the transport.


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    Whoopsy:
    fritz:

    It makes a difference in the sales brochure.

    The ground clearance on road cars is too large for a diffuser to produce anything like the downforce it would on a race car.


     



    Actually the fins on the R is already too low for street use.



    A number of R owners already had them scraped. Another owner's car is not even delivered yet, but the dealer already noticed scrapes on the fins and will replaced them free of charge, they suspect it was scraped while coming off the transport.






    The fact that the diffusor fins can touch the ground on the 911R is due to the car’s relatively soft springs, and doesn't mean that the ride height is consistently low enough for it to effectively replace the GT3's rear wing.
    The corresponding Carrera Cup's suspension springs probably have double the spring rate, which allows it to run at half the ride height of a road car.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Reviews still trickling through.

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/a30655/porsche-911r-first-drive


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    really want to drive one badly


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    martini964:

    really want to drive one badly

    You'll get the chance in a few months when the manual GT3 comes out. Better car, same involvement.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbbxWI7UvA

     

    Great review. Might be a highly subjective report but fits perfectly the car. And the car itslef... is great.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Good one!


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    noone1:
    martini964:

    really want to drive one badly

    You'll get the chance in a few months when the manual GT3 comes out. Better car, same involvement.

    Definitly, but with 911R, i know i can't buy it, but by GT3, it pushes me to buy and then i don't know what to say to my wife,cool

     


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    Jason is such a good presenter, he's made Motortrend one of the best Car channels. Always entertaining - and not repetitive (think Top Gear) , at least not yet.

    And now he made me want a 911R - which I don't want since I mostly enjoy
    driving on the track and our roads are crap.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Best Review I've seen for a rather Long time ! kiss Finally somebody not talking about numbers - but about the fun-factor - something a few here have been trying to highlight for quite some time ! wink


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Good review indeed
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    BjoernB:

    Best Review I've seen for a rather Long time ! kiss Finally somebody not talking about numbers - but about the fun-factor - something a few here have been trying to highlight for quite some time ! wink

    His documentation of all the mechanical noises now audible was brilliant!  


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbbxWI7UvA

     

     

    What a fantastic review !!! I hope Porsche hears that and listen to it , and start concentrating much more on the feeling then the performance ( which has reached a level nearly no one can use anyway )  . 

    I will listen if my RS also makes that throttle sound on stand still Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


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    Great review! and great to see Porsche can still build cars like that, too bad they only make them for a few people to enjoy... ironically many will not even be enjopyed and just bought to sit on a garage because of it.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    martini964:
    noone1:
    martini964:

    really want to drive one badly

    You'll get the chance in a few months when the manual GT3 comes out. Better car, same involvement.

    Definitly, but with 911R, i know i can't buy it, but by GT3, it pushes me to buy and then i don't know what to say to my wife,cool

     

    you mean we are supposed to talk to wives before buying cars? ! Smiley


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    martini964:
    noone1:
    martini964:

    really want to drive one badly

    You'll get the chance in a few months when the manual GT3 comes out. Better car, same involvement.

    Definitly, but with 911R, i know i can't buy it, but by GT3, it pushes me to buy and then i don't know what to say to my wife,cool

     

    Easy... "Honey, I decided to spend less on cars and got the cheaper version of the GT3, it doesn't get a rear wing or auto-shift for example, heck, half its windows are just plastic...even saved on the emblem on the hood, look, instead of metal its just a cheap sticker! ... sure, its a bit noisier inside and not as fast but I will live with it, afterall, its the responsible thing to do. Now! lets go out to dinner tonight and afterwards you can show me how proud you are of me!"  sneaky.gif 

    SmileySmiley


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    well, trust me, I used all these words ,dinners,trips,jewellery,...when I was building my 993 RS replica,( still in process...), and I took all excuses you can imagine, nothing left thomail, still she is not proud after test drive it, she often refer to 964 as old frog.......


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EbbxWI7UvA

     

     

    What a fantastic review !!! I hope Porsche hears that and listen to it , and start concentrating much more on the feeling then the performance ( which has reached a level nearly no one can use anyway )  . 

    I will listen if my RS also makes that throttle sound on stand still Smiley

    And no artificial exhaust farting noises! Amazing!

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    First PTS?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    martini964:

    well, trust me, I used all these words ,dinners,trips,jewellery,...when I was building my 993 RS replica,( still in process...), and I took all excuses you can imagine, nothing left thomail, still she is not proud after test drive it, she often refer to 964 as old frog.......





    My wife refuses to drive in my 964. She says it smells old , feels old , is too small etc....
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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    time to sell very cheap - to me.....indecision


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Gnil:
    martini964:

    well, trust me, I used all these words ,dinners,trips,jewellery,...when I was building my 993 RS replica,( still in process...), and I took all excuses you can imagine, nothing left thomail, still she is not proud after test drive it, she often refer to 964 as old frog.......

     



    My wife refuses to drive in my 964. She says it smells old , feels old , is too small etc....

     

    She's right, of course.  
    But that's what is so great about older 911s.  Smiley


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    fritz


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    @Lukas:  that is not a PTS it is one of the three special colors offered by Porsche for the R;  the other being Lava Orange and Black (on top of the standard Silver/White colors)  .  The real PTS  are starting to roll out now , few have been delivered (a Sport Classic Grey in Geneva and a Slate Grey in Hamburg).


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Wow, yellow/ green looked much better than I thought!


     
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